Bob Vylan Chants

[HotChipWillBreakYourLegs]

3 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

 

Probably poor grammar.

 

Just highlighting how many are deaf, dumb and blind to the atrocities of the IDF.

[Skip997]

Just now, HotChipWillBreakYourLegs said:

 

Just highlighting how many are deaf, dumb and blind to the atrocities of the IDF.

Many deliberately so

[Nobby's Old Boots]

11 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

The Peel commission partitioning which established the state of israel was accepted by Israel and rejected by the Arabs. Since then Rabin (see above) Barak and Olmert have all developed and proposed 2 state models (Barak said,”we will never have a happy

marriage, let’s have a civilized divorce”) but Hamas’ charter which simply refuses to accept the existence of Israel has never allowed any of these to progress. 

'Hamas' charter never allowed any of these to progress.'

Hamas prevented solutions from progressing 50 years before they were formed?

[The_Fish]

2 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Do you see any kind of disconnect in the militarised power of the IDF that represents only 1 section of the population and harasses the other whilst the Palestinian people are not allowed ANY kind of defensive measure?  This conflict is asymmetric, one side has all the power.  Is that defensible when hundreds are being wounded and dozens dying almost every day?  How many murders is an acceptable number?

 

I think Israel have committed a lot of atrocities since October 7, they've gone way too far on many occasions and I will never once defend the IDF and what they have done in Gaza. 

 

Hamas would do even worse to Israel if they had the capabilities to do so though. Overall they are worse than Israel. 

[Superscally]

7 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

 

Probably poor grammar. The death of the IDF has a consequence of millions of dead Jews. Not him calling for it leading to millions of dead Jews. 

It doesn't. We've established that. You keep repeating it though, so we'll keep repeating this. 

[The_Fish]

Just now, Superscally said:

It doesn't. We've established that. You keep repeating it though, so we'll keep repeating this. 

 

Let me try to write it clearer

 

I do not think Bob Vylan calling for the IDF to die will mean anyone actually dies.

 

I think if the IDF actually dies then millions of Jews would be very quickly murdered. 

 

Calling for it doesn't mean it would happen, but it's pretty stupid to do it anyway. 

[Blisterpack]

9 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I’m not surprised, seeing as it led to Palestine losing most of its land 

Most of the Middle East had borders reshaped and new countries emerging after WW2. Israel isnt the only 20th century country to have been born from the outcome of war. Happens all the time. I am saying that there have been opportunities to accept and compromise on a peaceful solution; I’d say Israel has tried harder than the Arabs to grasp these. 

[Cornelius_Fudge]

3 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

 

I think Israel have committed a lot of atrocities since October 7, they've gone way too far on many occasions and I will never once defend the IDF and what they have done in Gaza. 

 

Hamas would do even worse to Israel if they had the capabilities to do so though. Overall they are worse than Israel. 

 

This is spot on. I would say were the tables turned, we'd be seeing a real genocide.

[Superscally]

5 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

 

You did completely dodge the questions, going for Godwins Law and talking about Nazi Germany as if it has any f**king relevance with this situation today.

 

1) Hamas can release the hostages and Israel can end it's invasion. feels like an obvious aim for both at this point to me. 

2) The Iron Dome does nothing against a ground invasion. It needs Defence Forces for that.

3) I agree, long term a 2 state solution with backing and support from international partners is the only seemingly viable option for peace in the region. 

 

None of that is achieved with the death of the IDF. 

I was talking about Germany's armed forces and the only "developed" nation that committed anything like this since the 40's was Serbia and on a smaller scale. Their leaders were prosecuted. It is HIGHLY relevant. You're just choosing to go "la, la, la, this is fine and necessary" when it isn't. OK. For one second, let's just say neither you or I are right. Let's go and see what the United Nations amd the ICC says and settle it. 

OH! THEY SAY IT'S A GENOCIDE. I won't claim to be happy that I appear to have been right, because...you know...genocide.

 

[Spindles]

4 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

I will never once defend the IDF

 

I was literally responding to a post where you were justifying the existence of the IDF, which is clearly a defence of the organisation. 

 

Again, why are Palestinians not allowed to defend themselves but Israelis are?  What is the dividing line between one human being and another that makes only one of those lives worth defending.  

 

[Superscally]

2 minutes ago, The_Fish said:

 

Let me try to write it clearer

 

I do not think Bob Vylan calling for the IDF to die will mean anyone actually dies.

 

I think if the IDF actually dies then millions of Jews would be very quickly murdered. 

 

Calling for it doesn't mean it would happen, but it's pretty stupid to do it anyway. 

They won't, because the "world" wouldn't LET that happen. You're literally MENTAL if you think that if Iran invaded Israel it wouldn't be ended by the west inside a week. 

[The_Fish]

1 minute ago, Superscally said:

I was talking about Germany's armed forces and the only "developed" nation that committed anything like this since the 40's was Serbia and on a smaller scale. Their leaders were prosecuted. It is HIGHLY relevant. You're just choosing to go "la, la, la, this is fine and necessary" when it isn't. OK. For one second, let's just say neither you or I are right. Let's go and see what the United Nations amd the ICC says and settle it. 

OH! THEY SAY IT'S A GENOCIDE. I won't claim to be happy that I appear to have been right, because...you know...genocide.

 

 

I literally have never once said what Israel is doing is ok. In fact I've said the opposite. 

[Superscally]

3 minutes ago, Cornelius_Fudge said:

 

This is spot on. I would say were the tables turned, we'd be seeing a real genocide.

You're seeing a real one now. If the tables were turned, you'd be seeing a huge response that would stop a genocide. 

Edited July 2, 2025 by Superscally

[The_Fish]

1 minute ago, Spindles said:

 

I was literally responding to a post where you were justifying the existence of the IDF, which is clearly a defence of the organisation. 

 

Again, why are Palestinians not allowed to defend themselves but Israelis are?  What is the dividing line between one human being and another that makes only one of those lives worth defending.  

 

 

Palestinians are allowed to defend themselves. Not sure murdering innocent civilians at a music festival is great defence work, mind.

 

The IDF's existance is the only reason Israel exists. That doesn't mean I'll defend their behaviour.  

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, Superscally said:

You're seeing a real one now. If the tables were turned, you'd be sewing a huge response that would stop a genocide. 

Exactly. Absolutely nailed the crux of all this here. 

[Spindles]

No getting through to some people.  On the bright side, I'm not the one arguing in support of apartheid and genocide. 

[Nobby's Old Boots]

5 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

I’d say Israel has tried harder than the Arabs to grasp these. 

You keep saying this, but what is your reasoning?

Who assassinated Rabin again? And who came into power after him?

[Skip997]

Just wondering how many are aware that there is compulsory military service in Israel, both for men and women. Two years at the age of 18, then regular call ups until a certain age. Therefore no one between those ages is a civilian 

[Superscally]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Just wondering how many are aware that there is compulsory military service in Israel, both for men and women. Two years at the age of 18, then regular call ups until a certain age. Therefore no one between those ages is a civilian 

So it would be quite easy to set up a new DEFENCE force, with a new command structure that doesn't conveniently miss a load of intelligence, underman a flashpoint area and then doesn't go on a slash and burn mission with the aim of turning land that isn't theirs into a seaside resort? Cool. 

[Skip997]

Just now, Superscally said:

So it would be quite easy to set up a new DEFENCE force, with a new command structure that doesn't conveniently miss a load of intelligence, underman a flashpoint area and then doesn't go on a slash and burn mission with the aim of turning land that isn't theirs into a seaside resort? Cool. 

Out of reactions, but thanks. This is the truth of the matter. There was a very revealing article on the BBC in which they interviewed soldiers on watch around the 7th October. Very hard to believe so many genuine “mistakes” were made and so many trained and experienced observers “accidentally” ignored. 

[Blisterpack]

15 minutes ago, Spindles said:

No getting through to some people.  On the bright side, I'm not the one arguing in support of apartheid and genocide. 

On the even brighter side, nobody here is. 

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Do you see any kind of disconnect in the militarised power of the IDF that represents only 1 section of the population and harasses the other whilst the Palestinian people are not allowed ANY kind of defensive measure?  This conflict is asymmetric, one side has all the power.  Is that defensible when hundreds are being wounded and dozens dying almost every day?  How many murders is an acceptable number?

They have Hamas....who carried out the attack and took hostages that triggered this response from Israel.

[HotChipWillBreakYourLegs]

26 minutes ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

'Hamas' charter never allowed any of these to progress.'

Hamas prevented solutions from progressing 50 years before they were formed?

 

It's all the fault of the Palestinians you see.  No need to acknowledge that Netanyahu has not made one step towards peace in his time in power.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Out of reactions, but thanks. This is the truth of the matter. There was a very revealing article on the BBC in which they interviewed soldiers on watch around the 7th October. Very hard to believe so many genuine “mistakes” were made and so many trained and experienced observers “accidentally” ignored. 

'accidentally'

ok...so now we're going there. It was all an Israeli masterplan.

 

[Skip997]

Just now, steviewevie said:

'accidentally'

ok...so now we're going there. It was all an Israeli masterplan.

 

The most security focused nation on the planet with arguably the most effective secret service misses obvious signs of what was happening