Oasis

[efcfanwirral]

34 minutes ago, OwlsMatt said:

 

Good shout. I had a similar experience with Arctics tickets last summer, buying more than 4 across two different nights not realising it was a 4-ticket limit for the entire tour. They cancelled the second batch of 4, but the good news was (and this may happen for Oasis) the cancellations were done en masse, so as soon as the email came through I got my mates to go on and they could buy tickets for shows that were previously sold out.

Interesting that they only cancelled the additional tickets, that's good as it doesn't go too far down the "punishment" road. Hopefully the same this time. If they do only cancel the 2 and your other ones are intact, can you post on here to let us know please? Still got a couple of friends looking so can get them onto it 

[FuzzyDunlop]

I'm really surprised how few people I know who got tickets.

 

I knew a hell of a lot who wanted them - work, facebook friends, old mates from school etc.

 

Seemed like everyone wanted them. I know of hardly any people who got them.

 

It was clearly vastly oversubscribed.

 

Surge Pricing is a disgrace - I got mine in the presale. I wouldnt have paid the demand price. I dont have that money to spend on a gig. I can justify Glastonbury as its basically a week - no chance for a gig 

[st dan]

Probably been mentioned and discussed earlier in the thread, but isn’t there the opportunity here for Ticketmaster to artificially create a ‘queue’ which will inflate the demand, hence therefore triggering this ‘surge’ pricing? And they can do this in house and totally as they please, probably with some complex calculations behind the scenes. 

[Gejonimo]

On ticket prices, there is only ONE thing that will make ticket prices cheaper and that is for people to stop buying them. Prices are determined by the market and, as of right now, the market is willing to spend extortionate money on tickets, or, "whatever it costs" (the latter is the main issue).

 

I know two separate people who went for tickets and as they were queuing said they hadn't even thought about the price or if they could afford it, just that whatever it costs they would pay. One got face value standing £150ish, and one "had to" (their words) get a VIP ticket for around £270ish. Both said beforehand that they were going just because they "have to yaknow". 

 

The market dictates the price, same with any commodity, and at the moment the market is driven entirely by FOMO and Keeping Up With Joneses, mainly thanks to social media. 

 

You can try and regulate prices, but you can't regulate consumers intent on one-upping their neighbour.

[Gejonimo]

1 minute ago, st dan said:

Probably been mentioned and discussed earlier in the thread, but isn’t there the opportunity here for Ticketmaster to artificially create a ‘queue’ which will inflate the demand, hence therefore triggering this ‘surge’ pricing? And they can do this in house and totally as they please, probably with some complex calculations behind the scenes. 

Yes. I am certain Gigs and Tours did this as my friend queued there from 8am until 3:30pm when he finally got through and got a face value standing ticket for Manchester immediately.

[Dales]

4 minutes ago, st dan said:

Probably been mentioned and discussed earlier in the thread, but isn’t there the opportunity here for Ticketmaster to artificially create a ‘queue’ which will inflate the demand, hence therefore triggering this ‘surge’ pricing? And they can do this in house and totally as they please, probably with some complex calculations behind the scenes. 

 

They may well do this for some concerts but for Oasis they would not need to do this as they knew the que would be huge. The collection of data for the pre-sale would have let them know in this case it was not needed.

[tarw]

3 minutes ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

I'm really surprised how few people I know who got tickets.

 

I knew a hell of a lot who wanted them - work, facebook friends, old mates from school etc.

 

Seemed like everyone wanted them. I know of hardly any people who got them.

 

It was clearly vastly oversubscribed.

 

Surge Pricing is a disgrace - I got mine in the presale. I wouldnt have paid the demand price. I dont have that money to spend on a gig. I can justify Glastonbury as its basically a week - no chance for a gig 

Out of those there’s probably quite a few who wanted them if they could go online and get them in 10 mins.

I’m sure that a lot of them will have given up after an hour of waiting, being mistaken for a bot, being kicked out of the queue, bad gateways etc. 

I wonder how many people who REALlY wanted them enough to put up with that and were prepared to pay the surge price failed?  

[pink_triangle]

6 minutes ago, Gejonimo said:

On ticket prices, there is only ONE thing that will make ticket prices cheaper and that is for people to stop buying them. Prices are determined by the market and, as of right now, the market is willing to spend extortionate money on tickets, or, "whatever it costs" (the latter is the main issue).

 

I know two separate people who went for tickets and as they were queuing said they hadn't even thought about the price or if they could afford it, just that whatever it costs they would pay. One got face value standing £150ish, and one "had to" (their words) get a VIP ticket for around £270ish. Both said beforehand that they were going just because they "have to yaknow". 

 

The market dictates the price, same with any commodity, and at the moment the market is driven entirely by FOMO and Keeping Up With Joneses, mainly thanks to social media. 

 

You can try and regulate prices, but you can't regulate consumers intent on one-upping their neighbour.

 

I agree I think the hype that social media creates and also the yearning to be part of that hype plays a big role here. I think for some the likes and comments are worth the premium.

[st dan]

1 minute ago, Dales said:

 

They may well do this for some concerts but for Oasis they would not need to do this as they knew the que would be huge. The collection of data for the pre-sale would have let them know in this case it was not needed.

Yeah true, I guess I was more coming from the angle that by not allowing them to sell out in minutes (which traditionally they would have), but this whole drawn out saga for hours, essentially created hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue, who purchased tickets at these inflated prices if they were ‘lucky’ enough to get through, as they felt they had no option to and had to decide in a split second. Whereas with more time and rationale, they may have realised that £350+ for general admission is crazy money. 
So they get people to purchase at these prices because of the queue they have themselves controlled. 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

On 8/31/2024 at 11:26 PM, efcfanwirral said:

 

Many times and yes, the week or two before are the best time. Remains to be seen how much this hype extends or how much buyer's remorse there is 

 

Also known as enough time to put the screenshot of the ticket confirmation they got on their Socials !

[MilkyJoe]

16 minutes ago, st dan said:

Yeah true, I guess I was more coming from the angle that by not allowing them to sell out in minutes (which traditionally they would have), but this whole drawn out saga for hours, essentially created hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue, who purchased tickets at these inflated prices if they were ‘lucky’ enough to get through, as they felt they had no option to and had to decide in a split second. Whereas with more time and rationale, they may have realised that £350+ for general admission is crazy money. 
So they get people to purchase at these prices because of the queue they have themselves controlled. 

Nobody has to decide in a split second though. I got onto the ticket page and there was only 'In demand' tickets available for Cardiff at £356.88. I then spent the next half hour refreshing the ticket page seeing if any standard tickets popped up before I gave in and logged out. The In Demand tickets were still there very late on in the day. Everybody had a chance to make a logical decision. Whether or not they knew that is another matter.

[gfa]

47 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Without the dynamic pricing they probably wouldn’t have set the starting price at £350, but I can easily imagine they would have made the same by charging everyone £200. 
 

I think the dynamic pricing works in the bands favour as it turns Ticketmaster into the boogeyman. I also think to some fans it also maintains a facade that the reunion isn’t about the money and that facade makes many of those who paid the £150 happy.

For the general public maybe this is the case - but i think we all on here know £150 is already taking the piss let alone the £200 seats and vip packages

 

Taylor Swifts show was less and is 3 hours - and she's a bigger act even (albeit without the reunion hype / scarcity factor) whereas Oasis will play for what, 90 minutes

 

 

Edited September 2, 2024 by gfa

[doogie]

3 hours ago, OwlsMatt said:

RE cancelling tickets, I managed to get 4 for Wembley in the presale. My wife was out with her friend who was also trying in the presale, and bought 2 for the same Wembley show, but her internet banking crashed on verification so she used my wife's credit card to buy them. So we now have 6 tickets for one show with the same billing address, albeit all other details separate and both TM accounts were preexisting with order histories etc.

 

Are they likely to cancel some or all of these on that basis??

 

Sadly they are likely to cancel one set of them.  This happened to me a few years ago when both my wife and I were trying for next day Centre Court Wimbledon tickets through Ticketmaster.  There was a limit of 2 per household and we both somehow got through but didn't realise as I was at work and she was at home.  The next day I got a text saying mine were cancelled as both sets had been bought using credit cards with the same billing address.

 

Edited September 2, 2024 by doogie

[gfa]

Just now, MilkyJoe said:

Nobody has to decide in a split second though. I got onto the ticket page and there was only 'In demand' tickets available for Cardiff at £356.88. I then spent the next half hour refreshing the ticket page seeing if any standard tickets popped up before I gave in and logged out. The In Demand tickets were still there very late on in the day. Everybody had a chance to make a logical decision. Whether or not they knew that is another matter.

Do you actually think most people sit there refreshing for half an hour hoping a normal ticket pops up! efests bubble if i've ever heard it

 

People think its either £350 or viagogo - and are stressed and rushed into it thinking they could get kicked out when TM f**ks up or crashes.

[gfa]

2 hours ago, OwlsMatt said:

RE cancelling tickets, I managed to get 4 for Wembley in the presale. My wife was out with her friend who was also trying in the presale, and bought 2 for the same Wembley show, but her internet banking crashed on verification so she used my wife's credit card to buy them. So we now have 6 tickets for one show with the same billing address, albeit all other details separate and both TM accounts were preexisting with order histories etc.

 

Are they likely to cancel some or all of these on that basis??

Hard to say IMO. Example a post or two above me uses wimbledon as an example who i'd assume are quite strict

 

Ed Sheeran tickets? the cure? - yeah probably

 

Gallagher brothers cash grab, probably not!

[doogie]

20 hours ago, gfa said:

See didn't even work for the first hour or so - its never been like that bad for glasto

 

Yes it has.  For most years between about 2003 and 2014, See was a complete sh*t show.  But this was seen as a good thing by many glasto regulars as it rewarded the persistent as the casuals gave up.

[MilkyJoe]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

Do you actually think most people sit there refreshing for half an hour hoping a normal ticket pops up! efests bubble if i've ever heard it

 

People think its either £350 or viagogo - and are stressed and rushed into it thinking they could get kicked out when TM f**ks up or crashes.

No I don't think that. I only did it because it had worked for somebody else a little earlier. Doesn't TM hold the tickets and give you 10 minutes to complete your transaction or something though or am I thinking of another site?

[gfa]

1 minute ago, MilkyJoe said:

No I don't think that. I only did it because it had worked for somebody else a little earlier. Doesn't TM hold the tickets and give you 10 minutes to complete your transaction or something though or am I thinking of another site?

It does give you some time - but its still a rush

 

Glastonbury also gives you 10 minutes but i bet your going as fast as possible

[MilkyJoe]

Okay, yes it's a rush but I don't buy into the argument that people don't have time to think whether they want to spend that much or not. At the end of the day everybody has a price they are willing to pay and it boils down to how much you want to be there/or FOMO. For me I was willing to pay face value but not over 100% more to see a band I've already seen several times, the last time being a sh*t show. 

[MilkyJoe]

3 minutes ago, gfa said:

Glastonbury also gives you 10 minutes but i bet your going as fast as possible

I don't know because the last time I got through for Glastonbury myself was 2013! I've never got past the holding page since then!😭

[gfa]

2 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

Okay, yes it's a rush but I don't buy into the argument that people don't have time to think whether they want to spend that much or not. At the end of the day everybody has a price they are willing to pay and it boils down to how much you want to be there/or FOMO. For me I was willing to pay face value but not over 100% more to see a band I've already seen several times, the last time being a sh*t show. 

Not everyone reacts as rationally as people on here who are used to glastonbury shitshow + other ticket sales

 

Also for many this is their concert of 2025 so are less fussed about price point etc

 

bit lost on what the point is, not saying you are but it seems some people on twitter etc will just defend the band / ticketmaster to the end of the earth

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

Okay, yes it's a rush but I don't buy into the argument that people don't have time to think whether they want to spend that much or not. At the end of the day everybody has a price they are willing to pay and it boils down to how much you want to be there/or FOMO. For me I was willing to pay face value but not over 100% more to see a band I've already seen several times, the last time being a sh*t show. 

But that isn’t so much time if you are going with a group of mates and have already agreed a max price based on what’s been advertised …. The push for extra means a frantic ring round / text …. Let’s face it I’ve been 30 seconds from timing out on the Glastonbury sale with a price I’ve already known . 

[lsccksdg]

4 x standing tickets for £148 just went up on Twickets. Booking fee in total was £50ish. I tried to buy but someone already nabbed them. I have alerts switched on but didn’t get one, I just happened to check!

Edited September 2, 2024 by lsccksdg

[MilkyJoe]

3 minutes ago, gfa said:

Not everyone reacts as rationally as people on here who are used to glastonbury shitshow + other ticket sales

 

Also for many this is their concert of 2025 so are less fussed about price point etc

 

bit lost on what the point is, not saying you are but it seems some people on twitter etc will just defend the band / ticketmaster to the end of the earth

Yeah I do get that there was a lot of people that will have panicked and just got the credit card out. My original point that seems to have got a little lost was against the suggestion that people only had an instant to decide. If you decide that quickly you have no qualms about spending that amount.

 

Also understand I'm not defending anybody here. The band/TM are a bunch of c*nts!

[pink_triangle]

21 minutes ago, gfa said:

For the general public maybe this is the case - but i think we all on here know £150 is already taking the piss let alone the £200 seats and vip packages

 

Taylor Swifts show was less and is 3 hours - and she's a bigger act even (albeit without the reunion hype / scarcity factor) whereas Oasis will play for what, 90 minutes

 

 

Well £150 is below market value as showed by the sale. The band are maximising income just in the same way footballers or actors do. I know people don’t like to look at this way but it’s a business deal between the act and the public.

 

There is a big divorce bill to be paid off and if people are willing to pay that off in exchange for singing wonderwall in Heaton park with like minded people and the social media buzz that having “must have tickets” bring, then maybe we just accept it’s an arrangement that works for everyone involved.