Kneecap

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

People have every right to protest and we see it literally every week in the U.K. you don’t have the right to block roads tho 

plus it would just f**k off everyone and probably do the cause more harm than good...like the JSO lot.

[Crazyfool01]

was ok for the farmers though .... ? 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

was ok for the farmers though .... ? 

they got permission beforehand?

[Hoodlyfe]

38 minutes ago, Levitz said:

Sorry, but their 'kill your MP' statement was clearly not serious, said with a smirk at the end of a gig. They are lads from West Belfast who have a specific relationship with the UK Govt.  It was stupid and unsafe wise but also over a year ago. Worse things have been said by current MPs and newspapers about Corbz. The only reason it has resurfaced now is due to their 'free palestine, f**k israel' statement at Coachella.

 

The Hamas and Hezbollah stuff, sorry I can't get outraged by it I'm afraid. Both are involved in armed resistance against occupation. I don't support or condone either organisation, or agree with their tactics, I don't agree with violence of any sort (and to note the UK started bombing Yemen yesterday - but that's all ok), but IMHO you cannot police how the oppressed fight their oppressor. You can comfortably label the terrorists from your place in the UK, like we did the IRA and the ANC, but it is undoubtedly true that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. When you have exhausted civil resistance, where do you go when you are subject to apartheid, arbitrary detention, and killing without consequence or justice? Our views are skewed by a western lens and being the colonisers. It is also true that context is everything and our Government's support of genocide should be opposed. 

 

Looking forward to seeing them at West Holts. Will be really sh*t if Glastonbury capitulate. 

 

Hamas's "armed resistance against occupation" included attacking a music festival, murdering and kidnapping civilians. 

 

Anyone saying "up Hamas" at a gig is therefore ok with attacking music festivals.

 

The US and UK provide arms to Israel. Does that make Glastonbury a legitimate target? 

 

The solution to violence is never more violence. 

 

Even "joking" about violence is never going to swing public opinion in your favour.

 

Backtracking on your public statements and blaming others for highlighting your own words makes you the joke. 

 

 

[ironmike8]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they got permission beforehand?

I'm not sure that one group of people being allowed to protest a certain way, and another not being allowed, is that good an  argument 

[Levitz]

21 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

People have every right to protest and we see it literally every week in the U.K. you don’t have the right to block roads tho 

 They didn’t block roads, they thought about it 

[Levitz]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

plus it would just f**k off everyone and probably do the cause more harm than good...like the JSO lot.

Christ, you would have hated the original Glastonbury crew. 

[Skip997]

19 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

People have every right to protest and we see it literally every week in the U.K. you don’t have the right to block roads tho 

Our right to protest is rapidly being at best restricted with all sorts of ridiculous conditions being applied, which while maybe not totally preventing demonstrations, in many cases making them impractical or ineffective. 
 

It’s also clear that this is politically motivated. Farmers are free to block London while complaining about having the same tax obligations as anyone else. Meanwhile anyone seen to be steeping on the toes of the establishment and most importantly big business get shut down. 
 

It’s no coincidence that it’s the likes of Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and pro Palestinian groups that are being harassed. 
 

 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Levitz said:

 They didn’t block roads, they thought about it 

THOUGHTCRIME

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

 

It’s no coincidence that it’s the likes of Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and pro Palestinian groups that are being harassed. 
 

 

and Fathers4Justice. Don't forget them.

[Skip997]

21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they got permission beforehand?

Why?
 

JSO and ER would never have been granted permission. 
 

They’re doing the same thing in an apparent democracy where it’s allegedly okay to protest.  

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Levitz said:

Christ, you would have hated the original Glastonbury crew. 

Probably, unless they had some decent drugs on them.

[Skip997]

8 minutes ago, Levitz said:

Christ, you would have hated the original Glastonbury crew. 

My guess is that the majority on here would have hated the original Glastonbury crew. 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, ironmike8 said:

I'm not sure that one group of people being allowed to protest a certain way, and another not being allowed, is that good an  argument 

ok, but protests often mean roads are blocked or closed, right? Whether it is people marching, or tractors driving, and usually they get permission beforehand so police can make sure all goes peacefully. If people plan to block roads without permission then that can cause chaos and problems for emergency services and god knows what. If people want to take the risk and do that sh*t then good luck to them, go for it, f**k the police etc...but you can't winge about it if you get arrested.

Edited April 30, 2025 by steviewevie

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Probably, unless they had some decent drugs on them.

Far more likely to have had decent drugs. There were unofficial but effectively sanctioned drug stalls on site in the 80’s

[clarkete]

14 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Our right to protest is rapidly being at best restricted with all sorts of ridiculous conditions being applied, which while maybe not totally preventing demonstrations, in many cases making them impractical or ineffective. 
 

It’s also clear that this is politically motivated. Farmers are free to block London while complaining about having the same tax obligations as anyone else. Meanwhile anyone seen to be steeping on the toes of the establishment and most importantly big business get shut down. 
 

It’s no coincidence that it’s the likes of Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and pro Palestinian groups that are being harassed. 
 

 

 

And they blocked ambulances too, cheeky feckers. 

 

 

[ironmike8]

8 minutes ago, clarkete said:

 

And they blocked ambulances too, cheeky feckers. 

 

 

I think when people talk about two tier policing, this is an excellent example of it, just not in the direction that most loudly complain about.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

1 hour ago, TheDayman said:

 

I’ve said elsewhere - and I’ll say again - I was disappointed they said it.
 

That said, I also believe it was a deliberately provocative act aimed at drawing attention to the hypocrisy in Western political discourse: how some forms of violence are accepted - or even celebrated - when carried out by states, while any expression of solidarity with the oppressed is instantly vilified. As @Levitz alluded to earlier, “freedom fighter” versus “terrorist” often depends on who’s writing the headlines.
 

Hamas is widely condemned – why? Because of its use of violence - rocket attacks, suicide bombings, and a charter that includes anti-Israel rhetoric. These are valid concerns, and many people, including pro-Palestinians, reject Hamas’s methods.

 

But the hypocrisy lies in how state violence - like Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructure, mass displacement, and systemic apartheid policies - is often defended or ignored by the same critics. When a non-state actor kills civilians, it’s “terrorism”; when a state does it with vastly greater firepower, it’s called “self-defence.”
 

The outrage is selective, and that’s what Kneecap are attempting to provoke people to confront, clumsily or not.

Do you honestly, genuinely believe that was the thinking behind it and that it was pre-planned? Nothing points to that - including the apology.

 

Seems like an attempt to over intellectualise what was very likely a regrettable case of them getting caught in the moment and saying something a bit silly, frankly. And I hope it was that, because that's easier to move on from.

 

And I do think the images from the October attack are still very fresh in peoples minds - including of course those with little knowledge of the context. 

[WforWill]

39 minutes ago, clarkete said:

 

And they blocked ambulances too, cheeky feckers. 

 

 

It was proved that ambulance was stationary. 

[Crazyfool01]

Apologies my fault I’ve directed this off topic myself in error … back to kneecap 

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8x8n5kn80qo

[CaledonianGonzo]

Massive Attack statement in solidarity 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJE6zi5MoD7/?igsh=b3ljbHc5dGlmdmpj

[Levitz]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Massive Attack statement in solidarity 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJE6zi5MoD7/?igsh=b3ljbHc5dGlmdmpj

This is perfect. 🙌🙌🙌

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, Levitz said:

This is perfect. 🙌🙌🙌

 

Hopefully it will open the gates to more support from other public figures, be they musicians or otherwise.

[siblin]

2 hours ago, Colorblindjames said:

 

they called for people to be murdered in the same way the smiths called for DJs to be hanged I.e. they didn’t. 

I’m fairly neutral in this discussion and watching with almost philosophical interest.  Personally I feel like its ordinary people who have suffered because of two sets of ideologies.  Israel ≠ Netenyahu and Palestine ≠ Hamas. I Can’t ignore the suffering of Gazans nor the sight of festival goers being massacred or abducted.

 

But I’m sorry, I’ve seen this argument come up a couple of times and it’s nonsense false equivalence.  The Smiths didn’t say this in an environment of anger toward DJ’s, or following a couple of incidences of DJ’s being hanged.  Nor did they direct anger toward DJ’s as part of their persona.  Then of course there’s whether or not the instruction can reasonably be taken seriously or not.  Whilst most people are not going to act on the statements made by Kneecap, it is feasible someone could take it seriously, in part because of the latent anger.
 

They also said “Up the Hamas”, who orchestrated a massacre at a music festival, for that reason alone I would not object if GFL cancelled their booking.