UK Politics

[steviewevie]

Here you go..the one Jewish member of the Labour shadow cabinet...

 

[kaosmark2]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The threat thing is real. Two MPs have been killed recently. Sadiq Khan needs round the clock protection for him a d his family. They often receive death threats. Angela Rayner was talking recently about the threats she receives,she just doesn't go out anymore. It is getting worse and should not be played down or belittled. 

I wonder if this has anything to do with "will of the people" rhetoric and trying to inflame hatred and focus on ad hominem attacks against the opposition, instead of actually.... defending policies?

Edited February 21, 2024 by kaosmark2

[mattiloy]

Feel sorry for Hoyle. Imagine being bullied into martyrdom for the sake of lardy lawyer Sir Keff Farter. Bad times all round

[lazyred]

40 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Unless Hoyle allowed the Labour amendment to come to a vote, they said, he would be forcing them to remain loyal to their party or put their own safety at risk. Several told him of the threats they had faced since abstaining on the SNP motion last time.

 

or just vote for the SNP amendment?....

Labour couldnt baack the SNP motion because it accused  Isreal of a war crime. Labour's amendment was for party reasons but it was probably a majority view of mp's

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I wonder if this has anything to do with "will of the people" rhetoric and trying to inflame hatred and focus on ad hominem attacks against the opposition, instead of actually.... defending policies?

Definitely got worse during Brexit..look at Jo Cox.  Jess Phillips talked about it...loads of death and rape threats...intact often particularly bad for women ..

 

[steviewevie]

Chris Bryant thread...

 

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

Absolutely pathetic. Be as sh*tty as possible, do everything to provoke a reaction and then cry Jo Cox / David Amiss. Disgusting crybullies.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

The original nutters party then came the kippers and the Trumpers. All exceedingly similar in what they do and say.its been interesting to read their words over the last decade.

[pink_triangle]

3 hours ago, LJS said:

Correct. The SNP have been consistently calling for a ceasefire. Labour eventually decided they agreed but, of course, couldn't possibly vote for an SNP motion so they put down and amendment which effectively said "we support a ceasefire but we hate the SNP."

The SNP worded their amendment to try and divide labour so it’s hard to have much sympathy for them. They could have worded it differently, but that is their choice. On this issue they chose to play politics and labour played politics back.

[Guest]

I don't think the SNP leader Stephen Flynn has come out of this looking great when he was shouting for the Speaker in the Commons. 

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think the SNP leader Stephen Flynn has come out of this looking great when he was shouting for the Speaker in the Commons. 

That might be the former speaker soon enough.

[fraybentos1]

SNP and Labour were both playing politics, anyone claiming one party is totally in the right here is biased. 
 

Starmer was dragged kicking and screaming to eventually support a ceasefire. It has always been the snp position.

SNP tabled a motion to this effect which included parts they probs knew Labour would be split on but broadly was along the lines of what Labour (eventually) wanted.

defo something dodgy gone on with Hoyle 

[Neil]

Making Protest Votes Count

[LJS]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Neil said:

The original nutters party then came the kippers and the Trumpers. All exceedingly similar in what they do and say.its been interesting to read their words over the last decade.

 

[clarkete]

4 hours ago, stuie said:

 

Sorry to be a woke lefty but I still strongly believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. 

You can't really have a trial can you, if they refuse to answer questions and go into hiding? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority

 

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

Making Protest Votes Count

From the counts I've seen (which were admittedly many years ago) I think that would be an utter waste of time. 

[Neil]

34 minutes ago, clarkete said:

From the counts I've seen (which were admittedly many years ago) I think that would be an utter waste of time. 

they've attempted to break it down into ways that its noticeable - its no good voting for politicians it only encourages them.

[steviewevie]

Will Hoyle get kicked out?

BET NOW!

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, LJS said:

 

 

Bit ageist, old people can be very scary.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Stephen Flynn is very passionate and clever and I understand why he was f**ked off...but did he actually want a motion calling for a ceasefire to pass, or did he just want to cause more pain for Starmer because Labour are the biggest threat to the SNP in Scotland?

[Neil]

Liz truss. Complaining about leftwing deep state again, never her incompetence. And we thought lying spaffer was peak Tory  fantastist.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

He cares about Gaza but of course it was, in part, aimed at causing Labour problems..........

and Labour's amendment was aimed at causing problems for SNP and Tory.........

and Tory amendment was aimed at causing problems for Labour and SNP............

If they all truly cared about the real matter that we should be discussing then they would have had a motion agreed behind closed doors that they could all vote for. Been done before when they wanted on other matters.

This whole thing was party political theatre.

Yeah, agreed...although I think Labour's amendment was more to prevent the SNP motion causing Labour problems...because up to about 100 MPs were going to vote for it.

Tory amendment was to take this away from Labour. 

All amendments were similar, they all want the fighting to stop, a compromise could have been found.

What Hoyle was apparently trying to do was give all sides a go...but no doubt was under some pressure from Labour...and f**ked up and he might be gone soon which is kind of sad for him.

So, sh*tty party politics point scoring took over and in the end no one is talking about Gaza. It was like brexit, different sides digging in on their position when a compromise is there to be found. 

[pink_triangle]

13 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

He cares about Gaza but of course it was, in part, aimed at causing Labour problems..........

and Labour's amendment was aimed at causing problems for SNP and Tory.........

and Tory amendment was aimed at causing problems for Labour and SNP............

If they all truly cared about the real matter that we should be discussing then they would have had a motion agreed behind closed doors that they could all vote for. Been done before when they wanted on other matters.

This whole thing was party political theatre.

You’re right they could have done something behind closed doors. However once SNP decided to play politics, I’m not sure there was a response labour could make without playing politics.