UK Politics

[Neil]

3 hours ago, kalifire said:

Hahaha

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/22/truss-at-cpac-00142807

 

she's a fruitcake.

[Neil]

south korea has the lowest number of doctors per head in the developed world, and currently the doctors are on strike to stop the govt increasing the number of doctor training places. sounds pretty nuts but they don't want their importance diluted.in the uk, similar has happened - but without the strike  - one reason we're struggling for doctors is cos the  BMA has pressured the govt not to increase the number of training places by the amount required.

most people tend not to realise that the bma is a more than just a regularity body its also a trade  union,  and does trade union things to support its members.

[Neil]

i'm loving the top-right corner - lizzie -lettuce!

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, LJS said:

And Labour had a chance to speak to the SNP.

Alternatively, they put forward a motion that is entirely consistent with what they have been saying for months. If that caused problems for Labour, I would suggest Labour's indefensible position had a lot to do with that.

The sulking does not look good and I believe they would be better concentrating on the fact that they finally forced Labour into a position where they had to do the right thing and support a ceasefire.

So what's worse your contentious allegation of the SNP using "the deaths of people for their political advantage" or Labour's postion of condoning the deaths of these people?

still, at least there's going to be a ceasefire now.

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

she's a fruitcake.

there's a market for the crap she's coming out with though, especially in US. She'll probably earn lots of $$$ going round blaming deep state wokerati bond traders for f**king her premiership.

[pink_triangle]

5 hours ago, LJS said:

 

Alternatively, they put forward a motion that is entirely consistent with what they have been saying for months. If that caused problems for Labour, I would suggest Labour's indefensible position had a lot to do with that.

The sulking does not look good and I believe they would be better concentrating on the fact that they finally forced Labour into a position where they had to do the right thing and support a ceasefire.

So what's worse your contentious allegation of the SNP using "the deaths of people for their political advantage" or Labour's postion of condoning the deaths of these people?

The motion could have been worded differently and still consistent with what they had been saying . Your not naive enough to think this wording just comes by random.

The sulking to me shows where the priorities are. They are working with the right wingers because the speaker wouldn’t let them get one over their main rivals. Maybe they think it will look good on their election material if they can say they forced out the English speaker.

I don’t think it is contentious to say the bill was aimed at causing difficulty for labour, that has been the view of every single political commentator I have heard. I think only the SNP have stated this is not the case! At the end of the day politicians play politics, I know in the past you say SNP didn’t, but when the kool aid wore off a bit I think you reversed that review.

In terms of whose view is better/worse then that has to be discussed in the perspective that neither view has made any difference to governmental policy or what actually happens in terms of their being a ceasefire. At least labour are thinking ahead to a time where they may have some influence, I think SNP accept they have no influence so can say what they want.

[steviewevie]

more easing of cost of living as new price cap means lower energy bills...

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

The motion could have been worded differently and still consistent with what they had been saying . Your not naive enough to think this wording just comes by random.

The sulking to me shows where the priorities are. They are working with the right wingers because the speaker wouldn’t let them get one over their main rivals. Maybe they think it will look good on their election material if they can say they forced out the English speaker.

I don’t think it is contentious to say the bill was aimed at causing difficulty for labour, that has been the view of every single political commentator I have heard. I think only the SNP have stated this is not the case! At the end of the day politicians play politics, I know in the past you say SNP didn’t, but when the kool aid wore off a bit I think you reversed that review.

In terms of whose view is better/worse then that has to be discussed in the perspective that neither view has made any difference to governmental policy or what actually happens in terms of their being a ceasefire. At least labour are thinking ahead to a time where they may have some influence, I think SNP accept they have no influence so can say what they want.

yeah, SNP definitely playing party politics...but then they have a right to be pissed off that their opposition day was effectively taken away from them. Whole thing is sh*tty really.

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, SNP definitely playing party politics...but then they have a right to be pissed off that their opposition day was effectively taken away from them. Whole thing is sh*tty really.

So is it contentious to say the SNP were using this tragic situation to try and gain political advantage?

[philipsteak]

6 hours ago, kalifire said:

Hahaha

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/22/truss-at-cpac-00142807

 

True believer or grifter?

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

So is it contentious to say the SNP were using this tragic situation to try and gain political advantage?

No, don't think it is. I mean Stephen Flynn sent a letter to all Labour MPs asking them to vote for the SNP motion, which still wouldn't have passed...so he knew what he was doing.

But I don't think anyone comes out of this well, including Labour.

[steviewevie]

Just now, steviewevie said:

No, don't think it is. I mean Stephen Flynn sent a letter to all Labour MPs asking them to vote for the SNP motion, which still wouldn't have passed...so he knew what he was doing.

But I don't think anyone comes out of this well, including Labour.

But even if playing politics, it was still their opposition day, and Hoyle effectively made it Labour's.

Maybe the whole opposition day thing needs looking at, kind of meant for when just have one opposition.

[fraybentos1]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

south korea has the lowest number of doctors per head in the developed world, and currently the doctors are on strike to stop the govt increasing the number of doctor training places. sounds pretty nuts but they don't want their importance diluted.in the uk, similar has happened - but without the strike  - one reason we're struggling for doctors is cos the  BMA has pressured the govt not to increase the number of training places by the amount required.

most people tend not to realise that the bma is a more than just a regularity body its also a trade  union,  and does trade union things to support its members.

I was in south Korea last year and it amazes me that the doctor to patient ratio is so bad. We had to go to the hospital at one point and it seemed way better than a UK one and were seen so quickly. They're healthier over there I guess.

[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

Always thought deep state was the american public sector CIA etc.. Don't we call ours the blob?

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, lost said:

Always thought deep state was the american public sector CIA etc.. Don't we call ours the blob?

yes...but she's talking to an American audience....and they'd be like wtf if she started blaming the blob.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

[SalviaPlath]

Watching her do this ridiculous speaking tour of America sort of reminds you that everything Sunak does or says has to be put into the context that he lost a leadership election to Liz Truss.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

5 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

I was in south Korea last year and it amazes me that the doctor to patient ratio is so bad. We had to go to the hospital at one point and it seemed way better than a UK one and were seen so quickly. They're healthier over there I guess.

i don't guarantee what i said about the doctor/population ratio is accurate, but radio 4 had said it, just  before i made that post

[clarkete]

57 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

"He shared his manual online - which included instructions...on how the perpetrators could evade the police"

That went well then. 

[clarkete]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

south korea has the lowest number of doctors per head in the developed world, and currently the doctors are on strike to stop the govt increasing the number of doctor training places. sounds pretty nuts but they don't want their importance diluted.in the uk, similar has happened - but without the strike  - one reason we're struggling for doctors is cos the  BMA has pressured the govt not to increase the number of training places by the amount required.

most people tend not to realise that the bma is a more than just a regularity body its also a trade  union,  and does trade union things to support its members.

That's  because many thousands have resigned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-22/south-korea-trainee-doctors-protest-government-medical-students/103496418

Unlike in our country where its because we have one of the lowest comparable budgets per patient in the western world. 

[fraybentos1]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

i don't guarantee what i said about the doctor/population ratio is accurate, but radio 4 had said it, just  before i made that post

I googled it too I think it is right. It just shocked me based on my (very limited) experience.