UK Politics

[LJS]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

in Bristol currently, that's the conversation the green party are starting (nothing about their policies) - its another mark against the possibility of the greens winning their no.1 target seat.

[Crazyfool01]

Oh 😞 

[steviewevie]

 

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Hoyle says no to another Gaza ceasefire debate thing and Stephen Flynn says get tae f**k.

I dont have a clue where he stands in terms of parliamentary protocol, but if it’s just about SNP playing political games with no chance of influencing the situation, this seems sensible.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Neil said:

if people dare to disagree with you, they're a tory or climate change denier. lol

I recall another poster on here who is like that. Forget their name now.

[steviewevie]

34 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I dont have a clue where he stands in terms of parliamentary protocol, but if it’s just about SNP playing political games with no chance of influencing the situation, this seems sensible.

Well ok...but also don't think the SNP are going to let this go so not sure how long Hoyle can carry on if one party has lost confidence in him.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Well ok...but also don't think the SNP are going to let this go so not sure how long Hoyle can carry on if one party has lost confidence in him.

The SNP and some backbench Tory MPs aren’t going to be able to get rid of the Speaker.

I don’t think there should be another vote on a Gaza ceasefire when there was one last week anyway. It seems to be a waste of Parliamentary time when there’s plenty of other stuff for them to be looking at. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ommadawn said:

I recall another poster on here who is like that. Forget their name now.

don't think I've ever called anyone a climate change denier, and only called the destroyers Tories.i used to get accused of banning anyone who disagreed with me, but did a bad job of that by who is still around. 😛 

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

don't think I've ever called anyone a climate change denier, and only called the destroyers Tories.i used to get accused of banning anyone who disagreed with me, but did a bad job of that by who is still around. 😛 

Well, to be fair, Neil, you and I have been consistently disagreeing for 10 years* and you have never banned me.

 

 

 

 

 

*Because you have been consistently wrong.

 

[fraybentos1]

10 minutes ago, LJS said:

Well, to be fair, Neil, you and I have been consistently disagreeing for 10 years* and you have never banned me.

 

 

 

 

 

*Because you have been consistently wrong.

 

Neil’s wrong about almost everything apart from him thinking the SNP have done a woeful job of running Scotland for 17 years, he’s spot on there.

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, LJS said:

Well, to be fair, Neil, you and I have been consistently disagreeing for 10 years* and you have never banned me.

 

 

 

 

 

*Because you have been consistently wrong.

 

i've been consistently right about the snp trying to sell by grievance  a crock of prejudiced shite.

I remember when you used to say Scotland would be independent by 2024. whathappened?

Edited February 26, 2024 by Neil

[LJS]

23 minutes ago, Neil said:

i've been consistently right about the snp trying to sell by grievance  a crock of prejudiced shite.

Thanks for your opinion, Neil.

23 minutes ago, Neil said:

I remember when you used to say Scotland would be independent by 2024. whathappened?

Can't remember if I said that or not, but it's not totally implausible. 

If I did say it, I was wrong. 

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Well ok...but also don't think the SNP are going to let this go so not sure how long Hoyle can carry on if one party has lost confidence in him.

SNP want to be able to write on their leaflets that the English parliament is rigged against them. I honestly don’t believe they have the power to get rid of a speaker.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

don't think I've ever called anyone a climate change denier, and only called the destroyers Tories.i used to get accused of banning anyone who disagreed with me, but did a bad job of that by who is still around. 😛 

It wasn't you I was referring to Neil.
Your purges were the stuff of legend. They were spoken about in hushed tones on TOS if I remember correctly.

[Neil]

55 minutes ago, LJS said:

Thanks for your opinion, Neil.

Can't remember if I said that or not, but it's not totally implausible. 

If I did say it, I was wrong. 

The desire for indy is unstoppable!

 

5 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

It wasn't you I was referring to Neil.
Your purges were the stuff of legend. They were spoken about in hushed tones on TOS if I remember correctly.

These forums were tightly managed and it made a difference it's why tos isn't around anymore. It slipped away  here when I was in hospital and couldn't put the time into it.

Edited February 26, 2024 by Neil

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

SNP want to be able to write on their leaflets that the English parliament is rigged against them. I honestly don’t believe they have the power to get rid of a speaker.

They don't have any power to do that and it doesn't look like anywhere near a majority of MPs want the Speaker replaced. 

[LJS]

37 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

SNP want to be able to write on their leaflets that the English parliament is rigged against them. 

Kind of the "English" parliament to oblige.

[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

SNP want to be able to write on their leaflets that the English parliament is rigged against them. I honestly don’t believe they have the power to get rid of a speaker.

they don't have the power to get rid of him, but can he carry on when one the parties, the 3rd opposition want him gone...are they always going to be bringing this up and undermining him? I don't know, maybe he will stay and ride it out, just can't see it.

[Guest]

I could be wrong but I think only the government can raise a confidence motion in the Speaker, so if/as the government don’t seem to want to get rid of him then I don’t see it happening. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I could be wrong but I think only the government can raise a confidence motion in the Speaker, so if/as the government don’t seem to want to get rid of him then I don’t see it happening. 

yeah, but he might just quit.

[pink_triangle]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they don't have the power to get rid of him, but can he carry on when one the parties, the 3rd opposition want him gone...are they always going to be bringing this up and undermining him? I don't know, maybe he will stay and ride it out, just can't see it.

I think if the government and opposition are happy for him to stay in position, he stays in position. I doubt the SNP politicians are really that bothered, they just want something to scream about at home.

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, but he might just quit.

I think your overestimating the influence of the SNP.

[pink_triangle]

7 hours ago, LJS said:

Kind of the "English" parliament to oblige.

Maybe if the SNP prioritised being productive instead of setting traps for labour the situation could have been avoided, but knowing what sells at home they chose to play politics.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think your overestimating the influence of the SNP.

well they had their own opposition day, so they aren't nothing...and Hoyle is supposed to represent all members. Anyway, vote for him to go as reached 80 now so it isn't just SNP MPs.

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well they had their own opposition day, so they aren't nothing...and Hoyle is supposed to represent all members. Anyway, vote for him to go as reached 80 now so it isn't just SNP MPs.

From memory no government ministers and no MPs from the opposition. If it stays this way Hoyle will be fine. I don’t think a coalition with SNP working with right wing Tory’s will be enough.