2025 Headliners

[fraybentos1]

13 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:

Recon Madonna is behind Lana Del Ray for headliners now. The Eavis hold a grudge 

 

If you have heard the way he spoke about Chilli Peppers and Fleetwood Mac at one of the talks he did. 

 

If you f*ck over the festival then your out it seems for the most part. Unless you crawl back to them..... I doubt Madonnas ego could take that. 

nonsense. Look at Prince, they tried for several years

[AVALON.G]

4 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

nonsense. Look at Prince, they tried for several years

 

He pulled out in 2014 and died in 2016 there was only one festival inbetween and did not seem to be any talk of him playing 

[jackarmy]

1 minute ago, AVALON.G said:

 

He pulled out in 2014 and died in 2016 there was only one festival inbetween and did not seem to be any talk of him playing 

The Who were rumoured to be a botch replacement for him after he got spooked out by the Kanye petition...

[Gingerfish79]

19 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:

Recon Madonna is behind Lana Del Ray for headliners now. The Eavis hold a grudge 

 

If you have heard the way he spoke about Chilli Peppers and Fleetwood Mac at one of the talks he did. 

 

If you f*ck over the festival then your out it seems for the most part. Unless you crawl back to them..... I doubt Madonnas ego could take that. 

Those examples were in an era when finding A-list headliners was like shooting fish in a barrel. Its not that easy anymore, in fact its bloody hard.

[Skip997]

56 minutes ago, On The Blend said:

Let's not pretend that Eminem isn't a super important figure in the modern history of hip 

Yea

 

I’ll say it again for those at the back or those not paying attention.

 

 

 I’ll take the opinion of rap artists over some random folks on a forum any day

[AVALON.G]

31 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Those examples were in an era when finding A-list headliners was like shooting fish in a barrel. Its not that easy anymore, in fact its bloody hard.

 

Is it that or is it  the standard of headliner we the punters have raised our expectations of the size of acts we expect has moved up. 

 

Though older examples it was Glastonbury 2019 when I saw Michael E talking about them

[gfa]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

 

They'd bite her arm off if she called and agreed the going rate. 

Highly doubt she'd call though - kind of act they would have to chase

[gfa]

14 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:

 

Is it that or is it  the standard of headliner we the punters have raised our expectations of the size of acts we expect has moved up. 

 

Though older examples it was Glastonbury 2019 when I saw Michael E talking about them

The headliner pool is bigger than ever now that the festival has started embracing more genres for headliners

 

A lot of the bigger acts are very elusive though i think, especially american ones who get far too big for it very quickly and love £££

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 hour ago, On The Blend said:

Let's not pretend that Eminem isn't a super important figure in the modern history of hip hop.

F.D Signifier did a great video about the white commodification of black art and I think seeing Eminem as a significant turning point in the mainstream adoption of hip-hop is super reasonable. Link here: 

 

 

30 minutes in and he's convinced me that Eminem is better than Vanilla Ice.

[Acid_Haze]

There's no doubt Eminem is a great rapper and a great artist, and he is very important within the history of hip hop. I just think there's too many people out there who heap praise on him and claim he's the GOAT,

when he's the only rapper they listen to.

 

It's like have you made that judgement after listening to Nas? You listened to Andre 3000? You listened to Kendrick? 2pac?

 

I just don't think you can have an opinion unless you actually listen to other rappers.

[clasher]

5 minutes ago, Acid_Haze said:

I just don't think you can have an opinion unless you actually listen to other rappers.

 

You definitely can, it's just not as important or as valuable as a more informed one. We'd be much better off if we as a society understood that difference.

 

(I agree with your general point though.)

[Ben7amin_]

I was at an age when Eminem came out it, he was the cool artists to listen to -  and certainly his first two albums were "all the rage".  However I lost interest very quickly on the 3rd album onwards - not a fan of that stuff - and now looking back ive kind of not got the same love i had for the first two albums that i first had.

 

The discovery of Eminem did however cause me to go backwards and listen to acts like 2pac - who is far superior so I guess i have to thank him for being a gateway rapper of sorts.

 

personally Kendrick Lamar is the greatest rapper of all time, think he has surpassed those that came before him, not many artists produce that many 10/10 albums as he does - (IMO)

 

Honourable mention to Little Simz who is absolutely killing it at the moment a swell 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Ben7amin_

[The Nal]

31 minutes ago, Ben7amin_ said:

personally Kendrick Lamar is the greatest rapper of all time

 

Not fit to lick the sweat off the balls of Rakim, Cube, Nas, KRS One

[northernangel]

3 hours ago, Slugy said:

Whether its wrong or not but surely you can't argue against Rihanna imprint on pop, modern culture and music as a whole that we are literally still seeing the effects of now. As much as Eminem definitely had a massive impact on the genre and what could be considered chart music for that era he hasn't exactly been the shining beacon for the whole genre as much as the people you left off your "legends" list. If any thing Eminem as done the opposite past his prime.

 

Rihanna is a pop artist, Eminem is a rap/hip hop artist by actual genre. They've done some collaborations on songs but I don't remember Rihanna ever doing the rap parts. Rihannas numbers don't even come close to that of Eminem. He didn't have to cancel his own tour that's for sure.

 

3 hours ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Okay...

It's incorrect.

There.

 

Time to wake them old boots up and realize you were dreaming!

[northernangel]

52 minutes ago, Ben7amin_ said:

I was at an age when Eminem came out it, he was the cool artists to listen to -  and certainly his first two albums were "all the rage".  However I lost interest very quickly on the 3rd album onwards - not a fan of that stuff - and now looking back ive kind of not got the same love i had for the first two albums that i first had.

 

The discovery of Eminem did however cause me to go backwards and listen to acts like 2pac - who is far superior so I guess i have to thank him for being a gateway rapper of sorts.

 

personally Kendrick Lamar is the greatest rapper of all time, think he has surpassed those that came before him, not many artists produce that many 10/10 albums as he does - (IMO)

 

Honourable mention to Little Simz who is absolutely killing it at the moment a swell 

 

 

I think also it can be said Eminem newer stuff just like with other artists, it's much easier to just use Spotify.

 

Kenny obviously hasn't done the numbers Eminem has, but again he's been around in a different era.

 

I'm not big hip hop/rap fan really so, even less so now so Kenny isn't for me. Eminem was the thing when I was growing up and obviously Dre but a bit before. He did as you say open a world up for people to go and listen to others artists they might not consider, like I listened to 2 Pac. I listened to like bit of 50 Cent as he was heavily in my youth, and bits of The Game but not much.

 

I'm not sitting here telling people you must see Eminem as the best, not at all. But it cannot be mistaken his status is music as a whole, not just on the rap and hip hop scene. What's he's done for music, what he's opened people up to and what he can still sell. He is undoubtedly a legend of the game though.

[Acid_Haze]

I just find it a bit weird when people say they don't like rap/hip hop but then like Eminem, just makes me think why Eminem?

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 minutes ago, Acid_Haze said:

I just find it a bit weird when people say they don't like rap/hip hop but then like Eminem, just makes me think why Eminem?

 

There was a bloke on here a while back who listed Dr Dre in amongst the acts he didn't really rate in comparison to Eminem.

[Justcalledtosay]

4 hours ago, Ben7amin_ said:

 

From what I understand they had her booked in and the fee wasn't the problem - then at a later date Madonna decided the Pyramid stage was not big enough for her (in terms of physical space). To recreate her show so she pulled out.  

That sounds to me like she's bottled it. No sane person pulls out of headlining Glastonbury on that basis. 

[Acid_Haze]

6 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

There was a bloke on here a while back who listed Dr Dre in amongst the acts he didn't really rate in comparison to Eminem.

😂 Eminem wouldn't exist if it weren't for him

[stuie]

20 minutes ago, Justcalledtosay said:

That sounds to me like she's bottled it. No sane person pulls out of headlining Glastonbury on that basis. 

 

Not saying your wrong but why would she bottle it?  She's played to bigger crowds and just done an 80 date tour and ended up playing in front on 1m people on Copacabana beach just before Glasto.

[Spindles]

Eminem has his place in the rap pantheon, but as mentioned there are an absolute sh*t ton of heavy hitters out there with a more consistent catalogue.  I just think that the slim shady act lost its shine after the Marshall Mathers LP and everything from the third album onwards was a decline in the standard of his work.  He's carried on turning out the occasional track that's truly worth listening to but they've been hidden amongst whole albums of dross.  If he'd leant more into the social commentary and less into the middle-school level jokes I'd have had more reason to listen.

 

[Justcalledtosay]

36 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Not saying your wrong but why would she bottle it?  She's played to bigger crowds and just done an 80 date tour and ended up playing in front on 1m people on Copacabana beach just before Glasto.

If you can think of a logical reason why she'd flounce after agreeing to do it then i'm all ears. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Still looking to hear more about the talks with Madonna getting as far as her actually agreeing to do it 

[Acid_Haze]

39 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Eminem has his place in the rap pantheon, but as mentioned there are an absolute sh*t ton of heavy hitters out there with a more consistent catalogue.  I just think that the slim shady act lost its shine after the Marshall Mathers LP and everything from the third album onwards was a decline in the standard of his work.  He's carried on turning out the occasional track that's truly worth listening to but they've been hidden amongst whole albums of dross.  If he'd leant more into the social commentary and less into the middle-school level jokes I'd have had more reason to listen.

 

I think the thing is that the middle school jokes are the social commentary

[stuie]

10 minutes ago, Justcalledtosay said:

If you can think of a logical reason why she'd flounce after agreeing to do it then i'm all ears. 

 

IF she agreed to it and pulled out then I'd guess it was due to it being too difficult/expensive to adjust the show for smaller stages.