news & politics:discussion

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

Yes, I’ve heard older Tories claiming the ‘Wokerati’ is full of fascists and are far worse than genuine racists etc.

"Culture war" people will claim all sorts of bullshit.

[Punksnotdead]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Hancock for the win.

About as likely as Iran winning the World Cup! His appearance in camp went down as well as a pint of cold sick. I'm gonna keep watching 'cos I want to see Boy George punch his lights out!

[midnight]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I thought the young were supposed to be fascists these days?

As jokes go, this is the least funny I have seen in a good while. 

[Mark E. Spliff]

20 minutes ago, midnight said:

As jokes go, this is the least funny I have seen in a good while. 

I don't think he's been himself with all the stuff that's been going on lately - probably still angry about those Just Stop Oil protesters breaking the law.

[steviewevie]

oh god. The young fascist thing was because I read somewhere that far right parties in Europe and Israel were getting more younger voters these days, but it does look like the young vote came out for the Democrats in US the other day.

And I am not angry about protesters breaking the law, it does get attention which is I guess their main aim, but don't think it's very good for winning over the public and could just creates more division with the climate thing. I guess I was just doing a bit of a devils advocate and defending Starmer.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

I guess I was just doing a bit of a devils advocate and defending Starmer.

Can’t think why 😂

[Guest]

You would be right Stevie, it doesn’t win over the public as seen through the story where that guy missed his Dads funeral due to the protestors. They’ll end up turning more people off the cause than bringing about change.

Starmer also wouldn’t allow any new oil/gases licenses so he’s the man for them. 

[Neil]

23 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Can’t think why 😂

because hes not as shit as corbyn.

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

Is Matt Hancock becoming Alan Partridge?

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

52 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

how has it got so bad? covid? lack of staff?

[lost]

Maybe sacking 40k because they wouldn't get the jab wasn't the best idea.. Especially as it turned out Pfizer hadn't actually tested it for transmission.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

how has it got so bad? covid? lack of staff?

Bit of both I think.

Brexit, poor pay/working conditions for staff, funding all play a part. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Ozanne

[clarkete]

15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

how has it got so bad? covid? lack of staff?

Lots of info here

https://nhsfunding.info/symptoms/10-effects-of-underfunding/staff-shortages-2/

[Neil]

Just down the road from me in a clump of trees next to the ring road ageezer has built himself a shack to live in, its very dickensian. No idea how long he's been there only just noticed him as he's on my route back from the gym. 

[Guest]

More strikes. 

[kaosmark2]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

oh god. The young fascist thing was because I read somewhere that far right parties in Europe and Israel were getting more younger voters these days, but it does look like the young vote came out for the Democrats in US the other day.

And I am not angry about protesters breaking the law, it does get attention which is I guess their main aim, but don't think it's very good for winning over the public and could just creates more division with the climate thing. I guess I was just doing a bit of a devils advocate and defending Starmer.

The police breaking the law doesn't seem too so any harm for their reputation with the public.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

The police breaking the law doesn't seem too so any harm for their reputation with the public.

It's not the breaking law bit, it's blocking them from getting from A to B.

(and not sure the police's reputation is that great)

[kaosmark2]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

It's not the breaking law bit, it's blocking them from getting from A to B.

(and not sure the police's reputation is that great)

The police blocking people getting places doesn't seem to be doing too much.

If the police's reputation is bad, then why is Starmer supporting them and their narrative over that of their victims?

[Guest]

Starmers climate change policies will make a difference and go some of the way to giving the protesters what they want. 

[Guest]

Honeymoon is waning for Sunak. 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

The police blocking people getting places doesn't seem to be doing too much.

If the police's reputation is bad, then why is Starmer supporting them and their narrative over that of their victims?

you want starmer to say fuck the police?

[kaosmark2]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you want starmer to say fuck the police?

I want him to acknowledge what the "bad apples" phrase is in full when talking about police failings. Something along the lines of "to help restore trust in our many great police officers, we will launch an investigation and an independent complaints commission to ensure that whistle blowing on bad practices feels safe again". 

I mean, I'd love it if he actually said fuck the police, but I wanted him to acknowledge they're fallible, and couch or in political language.

[Guest]

Labour policies. There’s a lot of them these days.