Black Lives Matter

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

2 hours ago, hfuhruhurr said:

I wasn't going to reply, but false dilemmas really wind me up.

We are currently experiencing a fabulous awakening for many people who haven't realised that their everyday unconscious bias* has a cumulative negative impact on black people's lives. Right now, at this point, it's time to examine our own behaviours and actions and biases and consciously do better. That's the thought process that needs to be focused on. Not to create any comparisons or oh what about xyz, they are completely separate issues and by conflating them your thought process and those you influence with these comparisons become polluted and corrupted, and you become part of the problem.

*I use bias. I am, we all are bias, some are outright racist, but we are all bias - it's what we've absorbed over the years, there's no avoiding it. Accept that you are and fight it every moment of every day - no more of this status quo.

Whataboutery, drives me nuts. I attempt to be vegan but aren’t fully. My friends delight in shooting me down on minor technicalities, ignoring the overall good it does and enabling them to feel vindicated in ignoring that good.

I have to admit these statues and what they stand for has never occurred to me, and that ignorance has naturally been a contributor to the situation. Now we’re all aware of it shouldn’t be ignored because other bad things happen.

[Mr.Tease]

4 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

what about those in receipt of this money as so many POC have benefited from the scholarships at Oriel college . I'm trying to understand why the taking down of statues helps the cause.

Take the one outside the BBC of a paedophile  

Imagine if Rhodes was a prolific paedophile who raped 10,000 children and made a great fortune from his child pornography empire, then gave some of his wealth to charity. Would you be in favour of keeping his statue up? Would you be outraged of some survivors of sexual abuse pulled it down? 

 

[Mr.Tease]

5 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

My daughter investigates some of these criminals so you can't hide away from it .

 

My GS is mixed race Afro Caribbean ,16 years old and along with his other Nan don't condone any of this BLM protests so why do some POC agree and many don't ? 

I'm not sure what you're asking here? Is it Why do different people have different opinions? It's like saying Why do some white people support BLM and some don't? Why do some white people support  bird charities and some don't? Er, because different people have different opinions 

[babyblade41]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

Imagine if Rhodes was a prolific paedophile who raped 10,000 children and made a great fortune from his child pornography empire, then gave some of his wealth to charity. Would you be in favour of keeping his statue up? Would you be outraged of some survivors of sexual abuse pulled it down? 

 

The statue above the BBC is by a paedophile and that is  still up and not on the hit list..where do you draw the line ..should Mosques be removed ?

I'm trying to see where one line starts and another ends , My GS other nan would never accept anyone taking the knee for her, she works hard in the community bringing kids from impoverished backgrounds together , 

 

I don't think you can cherry pick what parts apply and as the statues belong to a wider audience then surely it should be a democratic process of what happens to them 

[SwedgeAntilles]

Wtf have mosques got to do with it? 

[VCK]

Maybe removing the statues and having them placed in a museum would be a decent compromise.

[babyblade41]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

I'm not sure what you're asking here? Is it Why do different people have different opinions? It's like saying Why do some white people support BLM and some don't? Why do some white people support  bird charities and some don't? Er, because different people have different opinions 

absolutely, so why can't everyone accept differences of opinion . No one had done anything up until a couple of weeks ago  so why now.?

The division this has caused between communities seems to be doing more harm than good IMO especially when some will latch onto anything to have an excuse be that black or white 

 

[Mr.Tease]

5 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

The other point is that my home town has  prolific cases of child grooming gangs and no one ever speaks up about these poor girls and the horrendous acts committed against them 

 

 

I work with survivors of childhood sexual abuse. Most of it is done by family members or family friends. Why does no one ever speak up against this? Why is it whenever this is mentioned, the same people who are all against grooming gangs just go silent and never mention it again? Why are they only outraged when it's gangs? Genuine question, I just find it weird.

[babyblade41]

4 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Wtf have mosques got to do with it? 

Islam was established by a slave trader Mohammad was a slave trader

[Mr.Tease]

3 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

absolutely, so why can't everyone accept differences of opinion . No one had done anything up until a couple of weeks ago  so why now.?

The division this has caused between communities seems to be doing more harm than good IMO especially when some will latch onto anything to have an excuse be that black or white 

 

Why can't you just accept BLM protesters have a different opinion then? Why are you posting about it? Sounds like you're stoking divisions to me- if you just accepted the pulling down of the statue, everything would be fine😉

[babyblade41]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

Why can't you just accept BLM protesters have a different opinion then? Why are you posting about it? Sounds like you're stoking divisions to me- if you just accepted the pulling down of the statue, everything would be fine😉

I won't accept it as it was done un lawfully , if it was done under a democratic process then that would be different 

 

I also feel especially on this subject here if it's not the opinion of the majority then your opinion is not valid .  It wasn't me who posted this topic in the first place so to comment must it be only if you agree with it ?

Edited June 10, 2020 by babyblade41

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, babyblade41 said:

I won't accept it as it was done un lawfully , if it was done under a democratic process then that would be different 

I'm afraid you're just stoking up divisions here, you just need to accept it's happened and move on, everything will be fine then

[babyblade41]

I find that a lot on here it's one view point only , I'm not sure why a decent debate can't be had but I suppose that's what happens when you preach to the converted .

It's a very myopic viewpoint and not the view point of a lot of black people either 

[Neil]

4 hours ago, zahidf said:

BLM MONSTERS

Damn, when I walked down Colston Road yesterday, I was planning to go back with a bulldozer.

[Neil]

25 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

absolutely, so why can't everyone accept differences of opinion .

Do you know anyone with the different opinion, of slavers being people worthy of public veneration?

I don't think I've ever met anyone with that opinion. Today is not 1895 or even 1985.

 

25 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

No one had done anything up until a couple of weeks ago  so why now.?

That's bull. There's been a campaign in Bristol for well over 20 years.

Ignore the poor reporting, the rename of Colston Hall was announced several years ago (the new name was due to be announced in April but postponed because of covid).

Two years ago Colston Primary School was renamed.

There's also been constant attempts to have something done about the statue.

Etc, etc, etc.

[Neil]

35 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I won't accept it as it was done un lawfully , if it was done under a democratic process then that would be different 

the democratic process is stacked full of people like you, who want everything to stay the same.

If Bristol hadn't rioted in 1831 you would have no vote, no possessions and your husband would have the right to rape you.

Sometimes more extreme action is necessary to move things forward.

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I find that a lot on here it's one view point only , I'm not sure why a decent debate can't be had but I suppose that's what happens when you preach to the converted .

It's a very myopic viewpoint and not the view point of a lot of black people either 

That "one view point" is the majority view. I thought you approved of democracy?

I guarantee that if Bristol had been given a vote on the statue the result would have been to pull it down.

[Jcatley]

The fact that a lot of people in this country seem more outraged about a statue being pulled down rather than the reasons behind the protests says a lot on why it’s so important these protests continue.

[jparx]

1 minute ago, Jcatley said:

The fact that a lot of people in this country seem more outraged about a statue being pulled down rather than the reasons behind the protests says a lot on why it’s so important these protests continue.

Spot. Fucking. On.

And christ - the statue came down days ago. Get over it!

[jyoung]

49 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I won't accept it as it was done un lawfully , if it was done under a democratic process then that would be different.

Black people are being unlawfully killed.

[Mr.Tease]

28 minutes ago, Neil said:

the democratic process is stacked full of people like you, who want everything to stay the same.

If Bristol hadn't rioted in 1831 you would have no vote, no possessions and your husband would have the right to rape you.

Sometimes more extreme action is necessary to move things forward.

Yep, think this tweet summed it up nicely

 

[Copperface]

15 minutes ago, jyoung said:

Black people are being unlawfully killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom#2010s_and_2020s

Which of those in the 2010s and 2020s were unlawful and and backs up your claim?

[jyoung]

3 minutes ago, Copperface said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom#2010s_and_2020s

Which of those in the 2010s and 2020s were unlawful and and backs up your claim?

That reply stinks. You know full well what I am referring to and you know full well why there are protests. I'm aware it was in the USA. Everybody is.

During every black persons lifetime, throughout history, they have been treated as the inferior race. But I suspect that really you actually already know that.

[zahidf]

13 minutes ago, jyoung said:

That reply stinks. You know full well what I am referring to and you know full well why there are protests. I'm aware it was in the USA. Everybody is.

During every black persons lifetime, throughout history, they have been treated as the inferior race. But I suspect that really you actually already know that.

Yup. Also, no policeman has ever been convicted of a death in custody. And black people are 5 times more likely to have been stopped under the anti covid laws...

 

Even boris has stopped saying there isnt racism 

[Copperface]

15 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yup. Also, no policeman has ever been convicted of a death in custody. And black people are 5 times more likely to have been stopped under the anti covid laws...

 

Even boris has stopped saying there isnt racism 

Who stated there was no racism? It is endemic in society, societal structures, institutions, norms and views and the demographics that result from that. What is happening at this time is a welcome step forward with much further to go. Maybe the right targets for such opprobrium need to be considered. 

 

Your points re deaths following police contact or, as you put it, in custody,  maybe proves a point in itself.

Not sure what you mean by 'stopped under the anti covid laws'.

 

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