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4 hours ago, Boss89 said:

Let me start it off for y'all...

Blur - Daft Punk - Thom Yorke - The Cure
Sigur Rose - Stone Roses - Modest Mouse - Neu! (sort of reunion) New Order - Robyn
Belle And Sebastian - Zeal & Ardor - Lykke Li - Shame - dEUS - The Notwist

 

Sounds realistic

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They're crap. That's whats wrong with them.

To be frank, by the time we are allowed to have festivals again - be it June 2021, August 2021 or Summer 2022 - they can put my mother-in-law on stage for all I care... (ok, that's a lie, but you

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2 hours ago, riseupandkill said:

just had my "would you still like to upgrade your ticket to VIP?" email... the wheels are still turning it seems.

 

(although of course, that doesn't guarantee a june fest)

speaking of tickets - guys who have a ticket from Dice - was your ticket replaced by a ticket to next year? I still see my ticket to PS in August 2020

 

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On 10/13/2020 at 10:55 AM, Guy Incognito said:

They're crap. 

Agree

5 hours ago, Boss89 said:

Let me start it off for y'all...

Blur - Daft Punk - Thom Yorke - The Cure
Sigur Rose - Stone Roses - Modest Mouse - Neu! (sort of reunion) New Order - Robyn
Belle And Sebastian - Zeal & Ardor - Lykke Li - Shame - dEUS - The Notwist

Daft punk don't play live, I don't see blur touring since damon albarn will be busy with gorillaz, the cure would great even if maybe too much of a nostalgia act... None of the others can replace the hip hop big headliner slot and I am afraid no act in europe can replace it. The biggest would be skepta (already played in 2018, no increase in popularity since then) or stormzy (lower quality imo). And the big hip hop slot does sell tickets. 

 

New order would be good but not anymore a huge headliner as strokes can be

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1 hour ago, JedTheHumanoid said:

speaking of tickets - guys who have a ticket from Dice - was your ticket replaced by a ticket to next year? I still see my ticket to PS in August 2020

Yeah, mine is just a grayed out version of this year's August ticket. I guess it'll update at some point.

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13 hours ago, Boss89 said:

Let me start it off for y'all...

Blur - Daft Punk - Thom Yorke - The Cure
Sigur Rose - Stone Roses - Modest Mouse - Neu! (sort of reunion) New Order - Robyn
Belle And Sebastian - Zeal & Ardor - Lykke Li - Shame - dEUS - The Notwist

Off Monsters and Men instead of Modest Mouse

Good List, but some of the acts on list are LA based (Lykke Li)

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Also don't mind to have some of the Asian finest if things go south with the American act. Chai and Shonen Knife were so much fun last year.

Cornelius, Boris, Mono, Mouse on the Keys, Toe, Swiimers to name a few.......or Pizzicato Five & Yellow Magic Orchestra reunion (my personal bucketlist Lol). 

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14 hours ago, Bram said:

Also don't mind to have some of the Asian finest if things go south with the American act. Chai and Shonen Knife were so much fun last year.

Cornelius, Boris, Mono, Mouse on the Keys, Toe, Swiimers to name a few.......or Pizzicato Five & Yellow Magic Orchestra reunion (my personal bucketlist Lol). 

Nice option. I would also love Jambinai from South Korea!

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On 10/5/2020 at 3:53 PM, Hip Priest said:

Primavera are collaborating with a show at the Apolo this month which is a trial run for future events.

1,000 attendees, obligatory use of masks and gel but no social distancing. Pre-gig covid test and follow-up tests afterwards.

https://www.mondosonoro.com/noticias-actualidad-musical/sala-apolo-antigenos/

https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20201004/483848891872/sala-apolo-concierto-piloto-mil-asistentes-test-rapido-antigenos-coronavirus-covid19.html

 

This has been postponed.

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The respected head of the Wellcome Trust and UK SAGE scientist this morning is saying Q1 2021 very likely for vaccine:

"People see vaccines as a magic bullet. Even when we have vaccines we will need good testing and treatments. There will always be people who don't respond to the vaccine or not receive it.
The vaccines and the treatments I believe are coming within 3 to 6 months… you’re then changing the fundamentals of this infection."
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21 hours ago, Andrej said:

We'll see. Hope for the best. But if the vaccine comes in, I dont know, March or April, i guess thats too late for festival season 2021.

Yep. Heard many scientists recently reminding people that even when available the vaccine could easily take 12 months, even years to fully roll out to everyone. 
 

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On 10/14/2020 at 2:55 PM, JedTheHumanoid said:

speaking of tickets - guys who have a ticket from Dice - was your ticket replaced by a ticket to next year? I still see my ticket to PS in August 2020

 

Same here - still have tickets showing in Past Events.

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1 hour ago, daveje said:

The last people to get the vaccine will be the people who tend to go to festivals.

The last events to re-open will be international festivals.

This.

Also, the speculations here are, once again, absurd.

There is no chance that NA acts pull out and just like that will be replaced by European acts. The majority of headliners are NA Acts plus Tame Impala for whom the same applies, even if they wouldn't operate from the US. All big tours I know of have been scheduled far into 2022, with smaller ones happening no earlier than late 2021. No big act will schedule a new tour for mid 2021 now, let alone enough to fill in for all the NA Artists at PS.

Right now, PS21 seems very unlikely. If there is no absolute planning certainty by January, June Festivals are not gonna happen.

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2 hours ago, daveje said:

The last people to get the vaccine will be the people who tend to go to festivals.

The last events to re-open will be international festivals.

I think if the vulnerable can start to be vaccinated from the start of the year, with a combination of rapid testing - large scale events will reopen. I think that is likely to happen by May 2021, which might cut it a bit too fine for Primavera to happen, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is moved to August. I think end of June/July is more realistic for music festivals to restart.

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1 hour ago, Quadrophobia said:

This.

Also, the speculations here are, once again, absurd.

There is no chance that NA acts pull out and just like that will be replaced by European acts. The majority of headliners are NA Acts plus Tame Impala for whom the same applies, even if they wouldn't operate from the US. All big tours I know of have been scheduled far into 2022, with smaller ones happening no earlier than late 2021. No big act will schedule a new tour for mid 2021 now, let alone enough to fill in for all the NA Artists at PS.

Right now, PS21 seems very unlikely. If there is no absolute planning certainty by January, June Festivals are not gonna happen.

I don't see why a combination of smaller (one person in particular) European acts can't fill in for some of the missing NA acts - think Skepta, Jamie XX etc filing in at even shorter notice in the past - plus some European bands already touring but not playing the festival.  

These are exceptional circumstances and even with weaker headliners it's still a viable festival with the pent-up demand.

 

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18 hours ago, thespiral said:

Yep. Heard many scientists recently reminding people that even when available the vaccine could easily take 12 months, even years to fully roll out to everyone. 
 

 

16 hours ago, daveje said:

The last people to get the vaccine will be the people who tend to go to festivals.

The last events to re-open will be international festivals.

While that's true, you have to remember that giving the vaccine to only half the population will also affect the dynamic of the pandemic.

First thing, all these talks about herd immunity are probably not possible to achieve naturally, but if you give the vaccine to half the population, it might be more realistic, or at least will slow the disease

Second thing, even now we know that Corona is not lethal for most of the population, many of the things we do now are in order to protect the elderly and the people with risk factors. If you immune them, that's a whole new story, it might lower the killing rate to as low as the flu, not sure that for that you'll still keep the entire economy shut down

So vaccine changes everything, even before being 100% deployed.

 

Having said that - I'm not optimistic. I doubt we'll have June, I hope we'll have August, but the realistic hope is that Pavement will still be on the lineup at 2022

   

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IMO we can't talk about vaccines as if it's the only tool in the toolbox.

Onsite rapid testing could have an even greater beneficial effect.

Not clear whether this will be in time for June but a combination of good testing and some level of innoculation among the vulnerable will be deemed enough to reopen mass outdoor events. We don't need perfection. 

If football can go ahead at some point on this basis - and that's big business with a lot of pressure on politicians to reopen it - then so can outdoor festivals.

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29 minutes ago, xxialac said:

 

If football can go ahead at some point on this basis - and that's big business with a lot of pressure on politicians to reopen it - then so can outdoor festivals.

And we have to remember there's rescheduled EURO 2020 taking place in 2021. Knowing how much UEFA loves money, it's hard to imagine they will easily give up on having full capacities.

There's also 2020 Olympics in Tokyo.

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2 minutes ago, mln said:

And we have to remember there's rescheduled EURO 2020 taking place in 2021. Knowing how much UEFA loves money, it's hard to imagine they will easily give up on having full capacities.

There's also 2020 Olympics in Tokyo.

The Euro is a different thing- we already saw a working example of how to perfectly manage a big sports event under Corona - the NBA bubble. I hope UEFA are starting to do their homework and learn how they did it there

 

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The situation in Spain is getting worse and worse each day. One month ago there was no restrictions, but now Navarra is in total lockdown, people from Madrid cannot leave the city, restaurants in Granada are closed at night and its University is closed, Barcelona has no commercial activity after 10pm, Melilla is going to close the airport and get totally isolated...

38.000 new infected people in the last weekend and hospitals getting full of covid people again.

It's hard to predict what will happen in the next year, but here the situation is not good now. Sometimes I want to be positive and think that I will get drunk with my friends in Christmas time, or go to a couple of festivals next year, but then reality wakes me up from my dream. 

 

 

 

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Look, I hate to be the buzzkiller, but you are widely overestimating the efficacy of vaccines and rapid testing.

The vaccine will slow down the spread, which is nice, but to effectively curb the spread, one person must not infect more than one other person, which means that 2/3 of attendees would have to be vaccinated by the start of the festival. Not happening.

Rapid Tests could be an auxiliary measure but: 1. They are expensive 2. They are scarce 3. They had to be carried out every day for every attendee, bc people may have caught the virus in the meantime 4. They cannot detect an infection that has just happened 5. They are faulty. Rapid Testing would be an immense cost and logistics burden and it is highly unlikely a festival that just lost tons of money can stem that.

Lastly and most importantly: Organizers have to be absolutely sure by early January that all these measures will be accessible and effective. That is just more than two months from now. To plan a festival with worldwide acts and audience under such conditions is close to impossible.
 

So curb your enthusiasm.

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Euro 2021 will happen, and they dont depend that much on ticket sales / people in the stadium. TV rights / advertising money is the biggest thing, and they can do it with 0 people in the stadium (like NBA, or most of baseball etc), or they can do it with limited capacity, like 20% of stadiums full (like currently most of American football season).

Most of that doesnt apply for music festivals, as they can only operate with 100% full capacity. And I really cant see how can anyone fill their fields, stadiums, arenas etc up to 100% capacity next June.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Andrej said:

Euro 2021 will happen, and they dont depend that much on ticket sales / people in the stadium. TV rights / advertising money is the biggest thing, and they can do it with 0 people in the stadium (like NBA, or most of baseball etc), or they can do it with limited capacity, like 20% of stadiums full (like currently most of American football season).

Most of that doesnt apply for music festivals, as they can only operate with 100% full capacity. And I really cant see how can anyone fill their fields, stadiums, arenas etc up to 100% capacity next June.

 

 

The profits from the Euro tournament goes to the UEFA member associations.

Without ticket sales, the profit from the last tournament would have been cut by 50% 

Therefore the UEFA member associations will want bums on seats.

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