Primavera Sound 2021

[TheFullShaboo]

7 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Seems like a shit idea. What if you go to a load of festivals/concerts? Are you supposed to get a test for every single one?

Exactly. Its a no-go for me. It's like airlines introducing mandatory negative tests before you fly. Imagine paying £120 (or whatever the cost) to find out your asymptomatic and you'll be spending the next two weeks on the sofa and not the beach?  Yeah, some people will have the cash (and time) to risk it, but the majority of punters wont.

IMO festivals will return once social distancing is a thing of the past and transmission levels are low enough. This weeks vaccine developments are promising and should speed that up.

[xxialac]

10 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Seems like a shit idea. What if you go to a load of festivals/concerts? Are you supposed to get a test for every single one?

Yes. Better if the only alternative is no festivals/concerts, surely?

And there's already talk of the tests costing a fiver, either mass produced or government-subsidised. Of course they won't cost £120 by June - that would kill the plan.

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

20 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Seems like a shit idea. What if you go to a load of festivals/concerts? Are you supposed to get a test for every single one?

unfortunately, this is our best-case-scenario until we're over with COVID.

if and when tests are available in large numbers/fast enough/cheap enough, this is how our life are going to look - get tested, if you're negative, you're allowed to go into large gathering events (concerts, festivals, sport events, large malls etc.) for the next 3 days. three days later - do the test again. and like that over and over again

 

[Gilgamesh69]

29 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yes. Better if the only alternative is no festivals/concerts, surely?

And there's already talk of the tests costing a fiver, either mass produced or government-subsidised. Of course they won't cost £120 by June - that would kill the plan.

 

Thing is, once we've got enough people (i.e. the vulnerable) vaccinated, then do we need to worry so much about constant mass testing?

Plus in Primavera's case it would be redundant because could easily catch it during the festival while outside and bring it in. I think it would be a better option for people to just take the test when it's over so they know whether to isolate or not.

[TheFullShaboo]

34 minutes ago, JedTheHumanoid said:

unfortunately, this is our best-case-scenario until we're over with COVID.

if and when tests are available in large numbers/fast enough/cheap enough, this is how our life are going to look - get tested, if you're negative, you're allowed to go into large gathering events (concerts, festivals, sport events, large malls etc.) for the next 3 days. three days later - do the test again. and like that over and over again

 

What about the artists and crew? Would this apply to them as well? 

There's too many risks with this approach IMO. A post festival period of isolation (such as the current approach with international travel) seems the safest and smartest approach.

[Newjem]

1 hour ago, JedTheHumanoid said:

unfortunately, this is our best-case-scenario until we're over with COVID.

if and when tests are available in large numbers/fast enough/cheap enough, this is how our life are going to look - get tested, if you're negative, you're allowed to go into large gathering events (concerts, festivals, sport events, large malls etc.) for the next 3 days. three days later - do the test again. and like that over and over again

Honestly, I'm more scared of what will happen if your test is positive. Will you get your money (tickets, flights, hotel) back? That would be way too risky for many people...

[JedTheHumanoid]

47 minutes ago, TheFullShaboo said:

What about the artists and crew? Would this apply to them as well? 

There's too many risks with this approach IMO. A post festival period of isolation (such as the current approach with international travel) seems the safest and smartest approach.

yes, probably will. Same as happens with athletes today.

I agree it's shitty, but shitty is the main theme of 2020... and again, probably better than nothing

[FloorFiller]

Christ, so now I’m both worrying about if the festival is gonna go ahead at all AND if it does go ahead, what if I test positive on the way in and can’t go at all?!

Gonna be an absolute nail biter right up until somebody walks on to one of those stages, isn’t it?

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, Newjem said:

Honestly, I'm more scared of what will happen if your test is positive. Will you get your money (tickets, flights, hotel) back? That would be way too risky for many people...

You will get a refund on your ticket but not everything else.

Life is full of risks...

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

Christ, so now I’m both worrying about if the festival is gonna go ahead at all AND if it does go ahead, what if I test positive on the way in and can’t go at all?!

Gonna be an absolute nail biter right up until somebody walks on to one of those stages, isn’t it?

You're chance of becoming infected on the very day you walk into the forum in June is bound to be less than 1% and even less if you are careful with human interactions in the run up.

I'd be optimistic, given those odds....

[gigi21]

Guys, we all know we'll still be living together with the virus next year and we'll not be allowed to act totally freely as the virus doesn't exist anymore.
Any measure that would allow the 2021 festival season to happen would make me happy but, at the same time, I already know that, if coming to PS, I'll stay self isolated as much as I can during the 2 weeks before and the same will do the friends of mine I'll be travelling with; we'll book close seats on the plane; already booked a private room; come to the festival by bike, etc. We'd be very very unlucky to test positive at the entrance, but shit happens.
Anyway, things are moving very fast and I still think it's too early to be sure of anything, so I'll be thinking about all this in late winter.

[Newjem]

45 minutes ago, xxialac said:

You will get a refund on your ticket but not everything else.

Life is full of risks...

Where did you see that? Did they comment about it or something? Because on Primavera website it says that: "Once the ticket has been bought, it will only be changed or refunded in the case of cancellation." Nothing about Covid-19 positive tests yet.

16 minutes ago, gigi21 said:

Guys, we all know we'll still be living together with the virus next year and we'll not be allowed to act totally freely as the virus doesn't exist anymore.
Any measure that would allow the 2021 festival season to happen would make me happy but, at the same time, I already know that, if coming to PS, I'll stay self isolated as much as I can during the 2 weeks before and the same will do the friends of mine I'll be travelling with; we'll book close seats on the plane; already booked a private room; come to the festival by bike, etc. We'd be very very unlucky to test positive at the entrance, but shit happens.
Anyway, things are moving very fast and I still think it's too early to be sure of anything, so I'll be thinking about all this in late winter.

This seems to me like you're a loyal fun of the festival or music in general. Majority of people are not like that and can't spend 2 weeks before in self-isolation (because of work for example). Also majority of people don't want to risk losing hundreds/thousands of Euro, especially at these difficult times.

[JedTheHumanoid]

28 minutes ago, Newjem said:

Where did you see that? Did they comment about it or something? Because on Primavera website it says that: "Once the ticket has been bought, it will only be changed or refunded in the case of cancellation." Nothing about Covid-19 positive tests yet.

maybe worth mentioning - we know nothing. It's all speculations based on bits and pieces of news and mostly rumours

Like I said before - it's a shitty solution for an even shittier situation. And it can only work if the chances someone will get positive result are low, otherwise the risk of losing the flight and hotel money are just too high.

I still think the safest way to go is to postpone to August/Sept, maybe by then, along with the vaccine, the risk will be lower. and we can have a near-normal festival

 

[gigi21]

54 minutes ago, Newjem said:

This seems to me like you're a loyal fun of the festival or music in general. Majority of people are not like that and can't spend 2 weeks before in self-isolation (because of work for example). Also majority of people don't want to risk losing hundreds/thousands of Euro, especially at these difficult times.

I perfectly understand. It wouldn't be easy for me too... Infact my comment stars with "if coming".
I will evaluate a lot of things before taking any decision and I won't do that now. We'll have a lot of news during the next months... Let's hope for good news.

[daveje]

3 hours ago, gigi21 said:

Any measure that would allow the 2021 festival season to happen would make me happy but, at the same time, I already know that, if coming to PS, I'll stay self isolated as much as I can during the 2 weeks before and the same will do the friends of mine I'll be travelling with; we'll book close seats on the plane; already booked a private room; come to the festival by bike, etc. We'd be very very unlucky to test positive at the entrance, but shit happens.

If you honestly believe that you have to take all those precautions to be able to attend Primavera, then the situation is so risky that Primavera won't be allowed to take place.

[Nesser]

Why on Earth do you think any festival will refund Covid-positive assistants? They can't force you to quarantine but they will very rightfully deny your entrance to a massive gathering of people. Right now they can't do it but as soon as tests start to deploy and if they think they can carry on with 2021 editions they will change their T&C to introduce this new clause regarding positive test = no event. Obviously, as with any change in Terms, we will have some time to decide if we keep the ticket or ask for a refund then, not several months later at the gates.

And all of this only if they carry on with festivals next year, which I think it won't happen.

[xxialac]

1 hour ago, Nesser said:

Why on Earth do you think any festival will refund Covid-positive assistants? They can't force you to quarantine but they will very rightfully deny your entrance to a massive gathering of people. Right now they can't do it but as soon as tests start to deploy and if they think they can carry on with 2021 editions they will change their T&C to introduce this new clause regarding positive test = no event. Obviously, as with any change in Terms, we will have some time to decide if we keep the ticket or ask for a refund then, not several months later at the gates.

And all of this only if they carry on with festivals next year, which I think it won't happen.

For certain you are wrong that they will ask customers to decide whether to keep the ticket.

It will piss customers off to make the announcement you're suggesting, the aggravation at the door will be even greater (very angry customers) and just not worth it, especially as the cost of the refunds will be minimal (perhaps 0.001% of the festival budget).

Only a tiny number of people will test positive. If there are 60,000 attendees then assuming the virus is not rampant in June and there's still social distancing practiced generally, then according to statisticians, fewer than 60 people will test positive .

In fact it has to be like this, or the festival can't happen.

 

[gigi21]

6 hours ago, daveje said:

If you honestly believe that you have to take all those precautions to be able to attend Primavera, then the situation is so risky that Primavera won't be allowed to take place.

I hope no one will need to, but I'm also cautious in this period. Anyway I don't think I said anything extreme: we booked a room and decided to go to the Forum by bike because of our past experiences with the festival; we'd do that even without a pandemic. I only added that (if there will be instant tests at the entrance and still no massive vaccination, like the other guys here were saying) we'll probably book our seats on the plane and be very very careful in the airport, in the city and during the days before leaving to reduce the risk of testing positive to almost zero.
No one knows what will happen during the next few months but I'm quite sure that, even if we'll be safe enough to attend mass events, we still have to be careful in our lives in June 2021.

[Nesser]

@xxialacWhere did you get the 0,1% figure? Because, if so, I'd agree with you that it's easier to proceed refunds to those people rather than what I said in my previous post. Nevertheless, they still would have to figure out how to test 60.000 people each day at the gate complying with social distancing. They (and again, not PS but every festival) may take the show a test from the last 24 hours road but nowadays I have some concerns about it.

[JedTheHumanoid]

36 minutes ago, Nesser said:

They (and again, not PS but every festival) may take the show a test from the last 24 hours road but nowadays I have some concerns about it.

it's still very speculative, and we're all guessing here, but one direction I heard (not related to PS or music festivals specifically), is that if you are tested negative, you'll get sort of a 'free pass' for 3-4 days.

The logic behind that - when someone is infected, it takes 3-4 days until he can infect others. so if this is the plan, no need to check on entrance or even every 24 hours. One test before the start of the festival, or before boarding the flight should be enough

[xxialac]

2 hours ago, Nesser said:

@xxialacWhere did you get the 0,1% figure? Because, if so, I'd agree with you that it's easier to proceed refunds to those people rather than what I said in my previous post. Nevertheless, they still would have to figure out how to test 60.000 people each day at the gate complying with social distancing. They (and again, not PS but every festival) may take the show a test from the last 24 hours road but nowadays I have some concerns about it.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18327916.coronavirus-maths-expert-reveals-chances-catching-covid-19/

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-infected-coronavirus-england.html

There are a tonne of studies like this suggesting a rate of about 1 in 1,000. That is a tenth of one percent = 60 festival attendees

In fact come June (or August) 2021 in Barcelona that rate will surely be much lower as:

- Some vaccinations in the community, reducing the R

- Some immunity from people who had it before

- Good weather, meaning people are socialising outdoors where the risk is very low

Whilst the probability of catching Covid at some point is quite high, the probability of catching Covid specifically just before the four days of the festival is incredibly small (unless you catch it during the festival but by then you're in and you'll be asymptomatic).

And you could test people in the massive area after security and before the main gates or people could come pre-tested (maybe everyone is asked to come in the daytime).

I'd be pretty sure the festival can go ahead in some shape or form in 2021. Ideally through cheaper, quicker testing.

[JedTheHumanoid]

And now Moderna joins the party

Pavement - here we come!!!

[xxialac]

IMO they should scrap the pre- and during festival indoor gigs and focus on giving the best, safest experience Weds-Sun.

Mandatory test everyone twice (on both the Wednesday and Friday) at the forum and advise people to get there early to avoid a wait or have pre-set, staggered times. Closing party outdoors on Sunday, somewhere like the Poble Espanyol which they've used before, or just end with the beach thing.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by xxialac

[xxialac]

Some hope when you see today this festival not having given up, though sounds like their model is to sell fewer tickets, presumably to enhance distancing.

https://www.cruillabarcelona.com/ca/blog/festival-cruilla-2021

 

 

[Ohjesus]

the great escape announced its first line-up chunk today - it’s before PS, indoors, and in tiny venues. 
 

optimistic/hopeful.  

Edited November 19, 2020 by Ohjesus