When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Its happening!

thought u might quote me on this one  

[Homer]

1 hour ago, gizmoman said:

Well that won't be difficult, the economic fallout from corona will be incredible, Brexit is now an irrelevance, why people are still fighting this lost battle when there is a far more worrying future ahead of us in or out of the EU is beyond me.

Oh, I've no doubt that this battle is lost - I just don't happen to regard us having our workers' rights and environmental standards stripped out at the end of the year so US billionaires can asset strip the country be an 'irrelevance'. In fact, it probably couldn't come at a worse time.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Homer

[Ayrshire Chris]

28 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Maybe some hope longer term ... 

At last someone who isn’t put of by The Boris Bluster and sticks to asking the questions with clarity and gives every answer he gets a forensic examination. Also Boris today didn’t have the usual baying mob behind him and other MPs passing him crib notes. Let’s hope he gets a chance to be PM. Hopefully he manages to convince some of my countrymen that labour can regain power. He will need MPs from north of the border. 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

At last someone who isn’t put of by The Boris Bluster and sticks to asking the questions with clarity and gives every answer he gets a forensic examination. Also Boris today didn’t have the usual baying mob behind him and other MPs passing him crib notes. Let’s hope he gets a chance to be PM. Hopefully he manages to convince some of my countrymen that labour can regain power. He will need MPs from north of the border. 

just looking at the way some of the polls seem to be turning both here and in the US show some positive signs ... yes im aware the polls aren't always accurate but its a good start for someone early on in the job .... mind you its going to be a bloody mess for anyone to inherit ... 

[Ayrshire Chris]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

just looking at the way some of the polls seem to be turning both here and in the US show some positive signs ... yes im aware the polls aren't always accurate but its a good start for someone early on in the job .... mind you its going to be a bloody mess for anyone to inherit ... 

Reckon we’ve just got his election theme tune!

Blair had things can only get better

Sir Keir must have The only way is up

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Reckon we’ve just got his election theme tune!

Blair had things can only get better

Sir Keir must have The only way is up

no we want numbers to go down ...... and then different numbers to go up 

[efcfanwirral]

51 minutes ago, Smeble said:

So everyone should stay at home, until when? The end of the year? Next year? The year after? Meanwhile the private sector collapses, reduced taxes collected,  no more NHS. It’s got fuck all to do with a ‘lovely country’ or the government getting a free pass, and everything to do with reality. The world can only pause for so long. We long ago decided hundreds of thousands dying each year from influenza was acceptable, at some point the same decision will be taken with covid 19. If we don’t then there’s no more economy. 

 

Other countries have managed to bring it to a level they can test and trace. We've fucked it up because we value money over life. It probably only needed a few more weeks but the mixed messages have essentially ended lockdown 

Edited May 13, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[Guest]

What's happened with this app they are testing in the IOW? There's been no news on that at all. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

What's happened with this app they are testing in the IOW? There's been no news on that at all. 

middle of the month release .... let me see .... think it might be late /  not happen 

[Guest]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

middle of the month release .... let me see .... think it might be late /  not happen 

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2020/05/nhs-app-testing-problems/

 

Apparently it's a pile of shite.

[stuie]

1 hour ago, gizmoman said:

Well that won't be difficult, the economic fallout from corona will be incredible, Brexit is now an irrelevance, why people are still fighting this lost battle when there is a far more worrying future ahead of us in or out of the EU is beyond me.

I miss the days when brexit was the most headfucking thing to think about 

[gizmoman]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

Maybe some hope longer term ... 

Well it looks like it might take a while, he may be 1 point ahead of Johnson but 44% didn't know if he was doing a good job or not! Sounds like he hasn't made much of an impact so far.

Also, from the same survey,

"The Conservatives continue to dominate in the latest YouGov/Times voting intention figures. The party currently holds a 20-point lead over their Labour rivals, with the two parties on 50% and 30% respectively. In our previous survey the Conservatives had held 53% of the vote, compared to Labour's 32%."

So Sir Keith has managed to lose 2% of the vote when the government are presiding over mass deaths. Looks like he has some work to do.

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Well it looks like it might take a while, he may be 1 point ahead of Johnson but 44% didn't know if he was doing a good job or not! Sounds like he hasn't made much of an impact so far.

Also, from the same survey,

"The Conservatives continue to dominate in the latest YouGov/Times voting intention figures. The party currently holds a 20-point lead over their Labour rivals, with the two parties on 50% and 30% respectively. In our previous survey the Conservatives had held 53% of the vote, compared to Labour's 32%."

So Sir Keith has managed to lose 2% of the vote when the government are presiding over mass deaths. Looks like he has some work to do.

no doubt hes got a massive job to do .... but hes made a start in repairing damage .... not something hes going to do in a few weeks ...

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Well it looks like it might take a while, he may be 1 point ahead of Johnson but 44% didn't know if he was doing a good job or not! Sounds like he hasn't made much of an impact so far.

Also, from the same survey,

"The Conservatives continue to dominate in the latest YouGov/Times voting intention figures. The party currently holds a 20-point lead over their Labour rivals, with the two parties on 50% and 30% respectively. In our previous survey the Conservatives had held 53% of the vote, compared to Labour's 32%."

So Sir Keith has managed to lose 2% of the vote when the government are presiding over mass deaths. Looks like he has some work to do.

Sir Keith?

Most people don't follow poticis that much and probably don't even know who he is. It's early days, and there are some rough times ahead. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson is gone before the next election.

[Matt42]

Ngl keir’s modest and non-hyperbolic voice is a ray of sunshine at the moment. I’m shocked that the modern Labour Party has produced something like this.

A sensible modest voice is actually what we need.

[mattiloy]

6 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

 

So Sir Keith has managed to lose 2% of the vote when the government are presiding over mass deaths. Looks like he has some work to do.

Agreed, winning the admiration of politics geeks is one thing but the 95 percent of the electorate who couldn't give a toss about PMQs is another.

But its some small reason to be optimistic - the government is shite and starmer is good at showing them up. The massive downside is that this is only the beginning of a long covid-brexit shitstorm and bojo & co are at the wheel for presumably the duration. 

[gizmoman]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Sir Keith?

Most people don't follow poticis that much and probably don't even know who he is. It's early days, and there are some rough times ahead. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson is gone before the next election.

Ha! it was a typo but makes the point I was just about to make, that most don't know him as he lacks charisma, he might start to make more of an impression as time goes on and it would be nice to have politicians judged on their abilities rather than their perceived bombastic character (Boris/trump).

[steviewevie]

Maybe Starmer is Attlee to Johnson's Churchill.

[Guest]

Of course they don't know much about him, he's only been leader a month and wasn't vocal in the GE campaign at all. He most definitely has a long way to go but the poll posted above is a good start especially when you remember Corbyn used to be about 20 points behind Johnson as a leader in the polls.

[Ayrshire Chris]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe Starmer is Attlee to Johnson's Churchill.

Watched the history of modern Britain by Andrew Marr the other day, he gave a great account of the Attlee Churchill post war election. 

[stuartbert two hats]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Of course they don't know much about him, he's only been leader a month and wasn't vocal in the GE campaign at all. He most definitely has a long way to go but the poll posted above is a good start especially when you remember Corbyn used to be about 20 points behind Johnson as a leader in the polls.

This.  In fact the large number of "don't knows" is a good thing if he's already in the lead - if (and it's a big if) he can win over those who are undecided, then there's huge potential for turning things around.  The only people who seem to have really made their mind up about him are the die hard Corbynites, and what are they going to do, vote Lib Dem?  They'll either go Green, not vote (both of these have a similar effect) or hold their nose and stick with Labour.

Me, I'm a Labour voter.  You won't stop me voting for that party unless it has a huge majority and keep starting wars.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

This.  In fact the large number of "don't knows" is a good thing if he's already in the lead - if (and it's a big if) he can win over those who are undecided, then there's huge potential for turning things around.  The only people who seem to have really made their mind up about him are the die hard Corbynites, and what are they going to do, vote Lib Dem?  They'll either go Green, not vote (both of these have a similar effect) or hold their nose and stick with Labour.

Me, I'm a Labour voter.  You won't stop me voting for that party unless it has a huge majority and keep starting wars.

Yep exactly, I imagine they'd vote Labour anyway as it'll be anything to get the Tories out.

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yep exactly, I imagine they'd vote Labour anyway as it'll be anything to get the Tories out.

Some of them won't, believe me.  Fucking mental, some of them. 
They know who their enemy is:

Edited May 13, 2020 by stuartbert two hats

[Matt42]

I do think that there is a problem though. Something the democrats might witness with Biden this year.

When the candidate that appeals to the young (Corbyn / Bernie) doesn’t win, the young people just give up and don’t vote. I’m a strong believer that in both the U.K. and the US not voting is a vote for the Conservatives / Republicans. Keir will have to win them round.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

I do think that there is a problem though. Something the democrats might witness with Biden this year.

When the candidate that appeals to the young (Corbyn / Bernie) doesn’t win, the young people just give up and don’t vote. I’m a strong believer that in both the U.K. and the US not voting is a vote for the Conservatives / Republicans. Keir will have to win them round.

Most definitely it is. However even with the Youth vote it didn't do jack for Corbyn. He's got to bring together a coalition of voters, of different ages and locations too. In every Blair landslide win he had Scotland, so Starmer needs to make some movement up there too.