When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

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Just now, Ryan1984 said:

‘Which of his 12 u-turns is the prime minister’s favourite?’

Boris did not like that one.

what a terrible question to ask 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

12

what a terrible question to ask 

tryng to paint Boris as always having to do U turns. Hurts competence

[Ryan1984]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

12

what a terrible question to ask 

To be fair, Boris’s response was it’s a privilege to ask a question in the commons and why did she waste hers.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

tryng to paint Boris as always having to do U turns. Hurts competence

sorry .... I dont think my sarcasm came  across there  

[Simsy]

1 minute ago, Ryan1984 said:

To be fair, Boris’s response was it’s a privilege to ask a question in the commons and why did she waste hers.

It's a privilege to be the PM, that's never stopped bojo from taking the piss.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Portugal set to go on the quarantine list tomorrow. Sweden likely to come off the list which will be seen as a victory for herd immunity enthusiasts.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

well..he would say that wouldn't he...

[Crazyfool01]

hurrah we can look forward to singing along to the last night of the proms .....personally id prefer the first night of Coldplay ....

[Crazyfool01]

I was wondering today if the mask usage has lead to lower doses of covid and therefore fewer hospitalisations .....  we took them up later and took longer to drop down didnt we ? 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

hurrah we can look forward to singing along to the last night of the proms .....personally id prefer the first night of Coldplay ....

well, that's another victory for real people, a victory for ordinary people, a victory for decent people.

[Matt42]

Hyde Park Winter Wonderland cancelled for 2020

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

well, that's another victory for real people, a victory for ordinary people, a victory for decent people.

and for the union jack sellers .... dont forget them 

[steviewevie]

A government doing u-turns isn't a bad thing in itself...having to do them every week is maybe not so good though.

[Ryan1984]

13 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

hurrah we can look forward to singing along to the last night of the proms .....personally id prefer the first night of Coldplay ....

The Proms with Emeli Sande. Guaranteed.

[reflekting]

9 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Hyde Park Winter Wonderland cancelled for 2020

On a personal level I found Winter Wonderland to be dreadful, crowded, overpriced, tacky, but nonetheless it's a good source of money for the London economy. Another nail hammered into the hospitality sector. 

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Hyde Park Winter Wonderland cancelled for 2020

be christmas next.

[dotdash79]

We were going to do the fireworks on New Year’s Eve, but we have cancelled our hotel and aren’t planning on going. But it looks like it won’t be happening anyway (or at least with no crowds)

[steviewevie]

at last, we can sing along at home now.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

at last, we can sing along at home now.

Another government u turn  

[Fuzzy Afro]

46 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I was wondering today if the mask usage has lead to lower doses of covid and therefore fewer hospitalisations .....  we took them up later and took longer to drop down didnt we ? 

Lower viral load due to face coverings is one of the plausible explanations for the lower death rate/serious illness, but I’d be pretty surprised if that alone has had such a huge impact. The 6 key explanations, ranked in order from most likely to least likely, are 

 

1. Lower “true” infection rate than at the start of the pandemic due to more testing. 1200 positive tests today means a very different thing to 1200 positive tests in March when only the seriously ill were being tested (100% happening and significant) 

2. Lower age profile of those catching the virus due to vulnerable people and those in care homes being shielded whilst the young and healthy go out (Highly likely and significant)

 

3. Better treatments being used by doctors than was the case in March, e.g. dexamethasone (explains lower death rates, but not lower hospitalisations)

 

4. Lower viral load due to face coverings being more extensively used (IMO this will have a material effect, but less so than the above 3 points. Face coverings can help to reduce the spread and reduce the viral load to an extent but are probably less significant at doing so than other measures. They help and should be encouraged, but not a silver bullet)

 

5. Mutation of the virus into a less severe form (Only anecdotal evidence to support this, no public health experts are championing this and we only have the views of individual doctors. Not a factor IMO)

 

6. Seasonal effects (Non-factor IMO because infection rates are high. This may explain less infections, but wouldn’t explain lower deaths/hospitalisations)

[steviewevie]

 

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Lower viral load due to face coverings is one of the plausible explanations for the lower death rate/serious illness, but I’d be pretty surprised if that alone has had such a huge impact. The 6 key explanations, ranked in order from most likely to least likely, are 

 

1. Lower “true” infection rate than at the start of the pandemic due to more testing. 1200 positive tests today means a very different thing to 1200 positive tests in March when only the seriously ill were being tested (100% happening and significant) 

2. Lower age profile of those catching the virus due to vulnerable people and those in care homes being shielded whilst the young and healthy go out (Highly likely and significant)

 

3. Better treatments being used by doctors than was the case in March, e.g. dexamethasone (explains lower death rates, but not lower hospitalisations)

 

4. Lower viral load due to face coverings being more extensively used (IMO this will have a material effect, but less so than the above 3 points. Face coverings can help to reduce the spread and reduce the viral load to an extent but are probably less significant at doing so than other measures. They help and should be encouraged, but not a silver bullet)

 

5. Mutation of the virus into a less severe form (Only anecdotal evidence to support this, no public health experts are championing this and we only have the views of individual doctors. Not a factor IMO)

 

6. Seasonal effects (Non-factor IMO because infection rates are high. This may explain less infections, but wouldn’t explain lower deaths/hospitalisations)

thanks for detailed response ... I was just sumising particularly about facemasks as I do while at work when I was shouted at by a chin wearer ... I asked the lady to put the mask over her mouth while she shouted at me and was informed buy the lady she had COPD ..... which is more than fair ...but im still trying to work out what she gained by having it in that placement ...

[stuartbert two hats]

18 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Lower viral load due to face coverings is one of the plausible explanations for the lower death rate/serious illness, but I’d be pretty surprised if that alone has had such a huge impact. The 6 key explanations, ranked in order from most likely to least likely, are 

 

1. Lower “true” infection rate than at the start of the pandemic due to more testing. 1200 positive tests today means a very different thing to 1200 positive tests in March when only the seriously ill were being tested (100% happening and significant) 

2. Lower age profile of those catching the virus due to vulnerable people and those in care homes being shielded whilst the young and healthy go out (Highly likely and significant)

 

3. Better treatments being used by doctors than was the case in March, e.g. dexamethasone (explains lower death rates, but not lower hospitalisations)

 

4. Lower viral load due to face coverings being more extensively used (IMO this will have a material effect, but less so than the above 3 points. Face coverings can help to reduce the spread and reduce the viral load to an extent but are probably less significant at doing so than other measures. They help and should be encouraged, but not a silver bullet)

 

5. Mutation of the virus into a less severe form (Only anecdotal evidence to support this, no public health experts are championing this and we only have the views of individual doctors. Not a factor IMO)

 

6. Seasonal effects (Non-factor IMO because infection rates are high. This may explain less infections, but wouldn’t explain lower deaths/hospitalisations)

I'd put mutation at the bottom.

[Chapple12345]

27 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

We were going to do the fireworks on New Year’s Eve, but we have cancelled our hotel and aren’t planning on going. But it looks like it won’t be happening anyway (or at least with no crowds)

I reckon they'll do it either from the London Eye and encourage people to watch from home/disperse crowds that gather to watch or do it from a secret location that only the media can attend, New Years Eve is a huge money spinner for all sectors so the government probably wouldn't want to cancel it outright 

[Chapple12345]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

be christmas next.

Or they'll launch an 'enjoy Christmas safely' campaign next