When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Disgusting. Why should covid patients be prioritised over people who need a liver transplant? 

Nightingales are sounding like a great idea right now for anyone unlikely to need critical care. Shame we don't have enough nurses and doctors to staff them..

[Leyrulion]

13 hours ago, Chapple12345 said:

I just wish they could be honest and say we don't know whats going to happen next, no one can

That is basically what he said, he gave some options of what might happen in one scenario.

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, phimill said:

How long do we think the rest of the country is behind - if i remember correctly it was about 2W after NW that it started to rise elsewhere. If so, we hope to peak around 1st August (with euros baked in to this peak so no additonal spike). Then hopefully with vaccines in place its a steep decline back to "minimal" levels around end of august - at this time we should be around 80% adults fully vaccinated, and fingers crossed with no scariants we will just have the "humm" around in the background 

have to take into account that cases might increase once more restrictions eased next Monday.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

and when covid finally ends - this will still be the situation for that type of child.

Surely you accept you was a c**t for not caring pre 2020 ? 

you were a c**t.

[MrBarry465]

33 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

It was the over selling of fear that a sub 50 year old should have about catching covid as well.  We have scared 20s, 30s and 40 year olds beyond what was sensible in my view.

As a healthy 40 year old my risk from covid was tiny - that's a fact - yet the messaging didn't match this in an attempt at controlling people.  We now have a problem that even single jabbed 20 year olds are fearful.

Theres a virus going around thats extremely tranmissable and can knock you on your ass for a week if not more.

No shit people don't want to catch it, in the middle of summer...... Even if it poses no lethal risk.

I don't generally like being ill, do you?

On a personal level, I don't equate 'it's not going to kill you' to - 'its totally fine to catch it'....

Edited July 16, 2021 by MrBarry465

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

A good reply to prove my point.

 

I don't know what your point is.

'It's not lethal if you are under 50, therefore stop worrying?'

It's stupid, people don't like being sick full stop. So the level of fear is totally understandable given the circumstance.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Nightingales are sounding like a great idea right now for anyone unlikely to need critical care. Shame we don't have enough nurses and doctors to staff them..

 

14 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Disgusting. Why should covid patients be prioritised over people who need a liver transplant? 

I guess it's why we need to try and stop cases getting too high.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

No covid out here.

Just clear skies, smooth sailing & beer.

Falmouth to Fowey. Lovely.

looks rubbish.

[Gacheezbo]

2 of the guys I was watching the football with sunday are symptomatic and tested positive, I had sore throat and fever yesterday, tested negative on 2 lateral flow tests, sent off for pcr.

 

Fever was getting bad last night so eventually had a lemsip, and I've been gold ever since. It truly is the elixir of life. 

 

Mid twenties and never known so many people to actually have the virus, don't know anyone who hasn't been able to manage it / not be fine in a couple days though

Edited July 16, 2021 by Gacheezbo

[Fuzzy Afro]

21 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Nightingales are sounding like a great idea right now for anyone unlikely to need critical care. Shame we don't have enough nurses and doctors to staff them..

That’s what the army are for. Use the actual doctors for cancer care, liver transplants and the like and then let the army run the nightingales. 

[steviewevie]

 

[kalifire]

51 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

No covid out here.

Just clear skies, smooth sailing & beer.

Falmouth to Fowey. Lovely.

Well jealous! Have an amazing time 🙂

[Gacheezbo]

24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Tested negative on 2 lateral flow tests...

Maybe it's not covid ? 

 

Pretty sure it is, as 2 people been in close contact with (one of them my flat mate) now tested positive. 

They were both initially testing negative on lateral flow too, even when started to have symptoms. Mine is likely to be negative because I have the worlds worst gag reflex lol, used to shoving things up my nose no problem but not tickling my tonsils.

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

you know, not everyone is in the pub?

And the pubs that are open are socially distant … so won’t actually be packed .. they are operating at a fraction of capacity 

[BobWillis2]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

I think we're conflating two things in this discussion at the moment. First there's the medical issue. Cases are going up, will continue to go up, and then they'll reach a peak and come back down. We should hit that peak in the next few weeks, and if we do all is fine. If we don't, and cases continue to keep going up (and so do hospitalisations at the same rate) we will be back in full lockdown, unavoidably. But that probably won't happen. It's not what the science points to. The only problem there is the case numbers being as high as they are now is also not what the science points to. So y'know, we should be okay until the scientists have it catastrophically wrong.

The second issue is the one I've gone on and on about for the past few months, and that's hesitancy. You can drop the rules all you want but if people don't feel comfortable going out they won't go out and that's a problem. A lot of people have harped on for a long time about how we should drop all the rules, and let people do what they want. The worried can stay in, the rest of them can get "back to normal". They've said that confident in the knowledge that 90% of people are on the same page they are, and the other 10% are introvert fake-SAGE weirdos. That the reason pubs aren't full is because people don't like table service, wearing masks to the loo, or having to book in advance. That Latitude isn't sold out because it's quite hard to get to. 

I was actually starting to believe that, given the level of confidence they seemed to have in this belief, hell, you'll have seen me making posts going "yeah but even if we're just 10% that can have a big impacts on gigs, etc.". But no - turns out the cautious people were in the majority all along. Turns out when you tell people "yeah there will be an exit wave but you probably won't die" a lot people go "oh cool, I'll just wait until the exit wave is done then".

What's happening now is what I expected to start happening in a couple of weeks time, once the initial rush and excitement of freedom day wore off. That at that point we might have some pubs and cafes reintroduce distancing and masking measures to encourage the vast swathes of society hiding away to go to them.

Same as I've always said: if you want to go back to normal, you have to bring everyone with you. Because it's other people that run the businesses you go to, other people that perform at the gigs you go to, other people that cook at the restaurant you go to.... you can't just go "back to normal" on your own. But instead of trying to win the argument and actually encourage people not to be afraid and that it'll be okay, the anti-lockdown hawks have gone with "people can just stay at home if they don't like it". And now they're upset because people are doing exactly that.

Now do the Wembley, Silverstone, Wimbledon part of “people are too nervous to go out and things won’t be full” 

Lattitude hasn’t sold out because the lineup is shit and people haven’t got £500 to waste on it. 
 

Is anybody actually annoyed that people still want to stay at home? I couldn’t give a shit, stay home. People are annoyed that those that will stay home anyway are trying to keep measures like social distancing and masks in places that they’ll avoid. 

Edited July 16, 2021 by BobWillis2

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Now do the Wembley, Silverstone, Wimbledon part of “people are too nervous to go out and things won’t be full” 

Lattitude hasn’t sold out because the lineup is shit and people haven’t got £500 to waste on it. 

It’s about a division … some won’t be nervous … some will … the initial festivals to go on sale sold out instantly the later ones to go on sale more slowly or didn’t … there are plenty of people out there looking after loved ones … that are vulnerable that haven’t and won’t yet return to everything they were doing pre pandemic … that will take time … confidence in the vaccine 💉 which we know is good … but also confidence in either safety measures or lower case numbers so less risk 

[efcfanwirral]

11 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Now do the Wembley, Silverstone, Wimbledon part of “people are too nervous to go out and things won’t be full” 

Lattitude hasn’t sold out because the lineup is shit and people haven’t got £500 to waste on it. 
 

Is anybody actually annoyed that people still want to stay at home? I couldn’t give a shit, stay home. People are annoyed that those that will stay home anyway are trying to keep measures like social distancing and masks in places that they’ll avoid. 

I still maintain that if they put on a festival with stormzy/dave etc next month it'd sell out straight away. Same with say Arctic monkeys

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

We are a threat to the world...  ffs

It definitely could happen, but then we'll never get zero covid so it could happen anywhere, any time

[BobWillis2]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

It’s about a division … some won’t be nervous … some will … 

Of course and that’s fine. Everyone is free to go at their own pace. 
Deanos confirmation bias that everything not sold out and every pub not full means that lots of people must feel the same way as him and be too nervous to go out is bullshit. 
Not everybody has loads of money to spend on a ticket, tent, alcohol, drugs and travel just to go to lattitude because it’s a festival and we haven’t been able to for 2 years. Especially with such a poor lineup. 
If the appetite for an event is there it sells out and people get stuck in and enjoy themselves as if covid never existed. 
People will save their money for a festival that they feel is worth the money. 
It’s also not a great time to be getting your supplies ready only to get pinged and have to cancel at the last minute. 

[Guest]

I was hoping the pandemic might make our society a kinder, nicer place however when I see comments such as ‘people that stay in are irrelevant’ I realise that might not be the case sadly.

People stay in for lots of reasons, some medical, that doesn’t make any of them an irrelevance. They are just different. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

I still maintain that if they put on a festival with stormzy/dave etc next month it'd sell out straight away. Same with say Arctic monkeys

Quite possibly but only because demand is compressed into the smaller number of events that are happening … if you opened all events again you’d see many that didn’t sell out because of some of the previous customers being more apprehensive 

[stuie]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

the initial festivals to go on sale sold out instantly the later ones to go on sale more slowly or didn’t … 

People are fed up of buying tickets to events/shows/festivals that are being cancelled and rolled over.

Confidence that events will actually happen is low! 

(not Latitude - that just looks shit) 

[BobWillis2]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I still maintain that if they put on a festival with stormzy/dave etc next month it'd sell out straight away. Same with say Arctic monkeys

If Glastonbury was on next week people would be desperately trying to find a route in because the demand would be far higher than the supply. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Of course and that’s fine. Everyone is free to go at their own pace. 
Deanos confirmation bias that everything not sold out and every pub not full means that lots of people must feel the same way as him and be too nervous to go out is bullshit. 
Not everybody has loads of money to spend on a ticket, tent, alcohol, drugs and travel just to go to lattitude because it’s a festival and we haven’t been able to for 2 years. Especially with such a poor lineup. 
If the appetite for an event is there it sells out and people get stuck in and enjoy themselves as if covid never existed. 
People will save their money for a festival that they feel is worth the money. 
It’s also not a great time to be getting your supplies ready only to get pinged and have to cancel at the last minute. 

See my reply above .. it will take time for full demand to resume … we need everyone back doing things not just the ones involved in these initial surge of a limited number of events … it will happen but I’m not sure it will quite yet 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

You really don't know to what extent thay will be true  

No and you guys to the opposite extreme …