When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

It seems the next culture war is going to be people living life how it used to be vs those who think they shouldn't be doing so. Crazy that 2 years ago life was normal for everyone. After the 19th will be far far from "normality" 

[El Matador]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The one released at the weekend polled 50,000 people - mostly done by researchers out and about.

Over 50% thought current restrictions should remain and only 23% thought stage 4 should happen on the 19th July.

Is that enough people for you or would you prefer to hand pick those who are asked?

It would appear my social group are far from representative in that case. I haven't spoken to anyone that wants current restrictions to be kept beyond 19th July. 

[steviewevie]

I only believe the polls that I like.

[Guest]

It does seem that a majority of people want the government to be more cautious and keep certain baseline level controls in place such as face masks etc going by recent polling which might explain why we are now hearing more cautious type of comments from the government.  

[zahidf]

Interesting. Get the flu jab!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/12/flu-jab-may-reduce-severe-effects-of-covid-suggests-study

[efcfanwirral]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/lack-covid-awareness-euro-final-devastating-who-2021-07-12/

Devastating...

[zahidf]

10 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/lack-covid-awareness-euro-final-devastating-who-2021-07-12/

Devastating...

Whatevers nerds

[andyrhodes24]

15 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/lack-covid-awareness-euro-final-devastating-who-2021-07-12/

Devastating...

It was always going to attract attention but I didn't see WHO pipe up when Argentina fans celebrated their Copa America win on Saturday night, the exact same thing

Edited July 12, 2021 by andyrhodes24

[Crazyfool01]

I guess we find out later this week what the numbers do ? … hopefully it won’t be so much more than we already have as the euros didn’t just happen last night … although I’d say there will be some transmission around last night … wait it out time again 

[kalifire]

20 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Whatevers nerds

Maria DeJoseph Van Kerkhove is an American infectious disease epidemiologist. With a background in high-threat pathogens, Van Kerkhove specializes in emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases and is based in the Health Emergencies Program at the World Health Organization (WHO). She is the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at WHO.

From 2000 to 2005, Van Kerkhove was a senior epidemiologist at Exponent's health sciences practice in New York City. After this, she worked as an epidemiologist at the Institut Pasteur de Cambodia (2006–2008), while conducting field studies on H5N1 for her Ph.D.

Van Kerkhove was a senior research fellow in the Medical Research Council Centre for Outbreak Analysis and Modelling at Imperial College London from 2009 to 2015. She specialized in Ebola, influenza, meningitis, MERS-CoV, and yellow fever. In April 2009, she began working as a technical consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO) in its Global Capacities, Alert and Response Cluster. In 2013, she was a technical consultant for WHO as a member of the MERS-CoV task force.

From 2015 to 2017, Van Kerkhove was the head of the Outbreak Investigation Task Force at the Institut Pasteur’s Center for Global Health, conducting field research into surrounding zoonoses, respiratory viruses and emerging/re-emerging viruses such as Zika, MERS-CoV, Ebola and Marburg. She specialized in field research to gather data on the highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 (HPAI/H5N1), with a focus on transmission risk from poultry to humans.

Van Kerkhove has been an honorary lecturer at Imperial College London since 2015. She has been Scientist, Technical Lead MERS-CoV at WHO in Geneva, Switzerland, since March 2017. As part of her work with WHO, Van Kerkhove appears in regular press conferences by WHO regarding the COVID-19 pandemic. Van Kerkhove has provided answers to common questions about the pandemic. Van Kerkhove spent two weeks in China in February 2020 to better understand the COVID-19 outbreak and to understand how China was trying to control the virus.

 

Yeah, whatever nerd! Eng-er-land!!

Edited July 12, 2021 by kalifire

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

It was always going to attract attention but I didn't see WHO pipe up when Argentina fans celebrated their Copa America win on Saturday night, the exact same thing

they celebtrated across Argentina though, right? Not 10s of thousands in one small area? There were only 7000 mostly Brazil fans allowed in the actual stadium to watch.

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I guess we find out later this week what the numbers do ? … hopefully it won’t be so much more than we already have as the euros didn’t just happen last night … although I’d say there will be some transmission around last night … wait it out time again 

If its mental numbers Thursday it'd be interesting to see what pressure they'll be under to delay

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

If its mental numbers Thursday it'd be interesting to see what pressure they'll be under to delay

Maybe the drops from other nations will counteract the overall increase from England … it’s just 1 match ? How much damage can that do ?!   Possibly quite a bit …. But most will have been attending the stadium with negative test results it’s just everything else that surrounds it 

[andyrhodes24]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they celebtrated across Argentina though, right? Not 10s of thousands in one small area? There were only 7000 mostly Brazil fans allowed in the actual stadium to watch.

It looked rammed here in Buenos Aires but there's a few masks floating about in this report which did surprise me. The football will be lightning rod for attention but it won't be the only cause of unauthorised mass gatherings, just an easy target whether it's legal or not

 

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Maybe the drops from other nations will counteract the overall increase from England … it’s just 1 match ? How much damage can that do ?!   Possibly quite a bit …. But most will have been attending the stadium with negative test results it’s just everything else that surrounds it 

I think the main thing will be the bits surrounding it like you say - the parties, pubs etc. Yeah some transmission at the game and around it but I'd still maintain that's not as bad, pretty ventilated in the concourses with them being pretty big at Wembley, and the outside bit watching the game would be fine. I think it's the collective side of it around the country

And if they're looking for a way out that would be the perfect excuse. If not I reckon come end of parliamentary recess we'll be treated like naughty kids who went wild in our summer holidays 

[zahidf]

Javid due to make the commons statement now 

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Javid due to make the commons statement now 

Not many there … pretty pathetic really 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Prediction: Boris gives the go ahead today and then the numbers fly up to 50k plus by Friday/Saturday. Fake SAGE have an utter meltdown trying to get it cancelled. 

[Havors]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Prediction: Boris gives the go ahead today and then the numbers fly up to 50k plus by Friday/Saturday. Fake SAGE have an utter meltdown trying to get it cancelled. 

My prediction..... totally hopefully wishful thinking....

We peak in cases soon as the growth rate continues to slow. Then post 19th there is a blip and then everyone wonders what the bloody fuss was about. 😄 

We can hope.

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Prediction: Boris gives the go ahead today and then the numbers fly up to 50k plus by Friday/Saturday. Fake SAGE have an utter meltdown trying to get it cancelled. 

i look forward to 60 tweet thread

[steviewevie]

They have already said that they expect will get to 50k cases per day or thereabouts by 19th, right? And Javid said could get to 100k by mid August? Maybe this is worse case scenario stuff and won't be as bad. I guess main thing is deaths...if gets to 100 deaths/day then that might start spooking people...just have to see etc etc forever.

[zahidf]

Good. Enough is enough

 

The health secretary goes on to say the government has looked closely at the data “and we firmly believe this is the right time to get our nation closer to normal life”.

He says the UK will move to the next stage of the roadmap on 19 July.

"To those who say why take this step now, I say if not now then when."

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

They have already said that they expect will get to 50k cases per day or thereabouts by 19th, right? And Javid said could get to 100k by mid August? Maybe this is worse case scenario stuff and won't be as bad. I guess main thing is deaths...if gets to 100 deaths/day then that might start spooking people...just have to see etc etc forever.

WHich is why post 19th July and we throw this thread in the bin, we can ignore the figures and crack on with life

[zahidf]

BTW boots are now taking appointments for flu jabs post September 17th. Im getting it for the first time this year, bit of extra protection

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

WHich is why post 19th July and we throw this thread in the bin, we can ignore the figures and crack on with life

yes, I need to crack on.