The Nal Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said: While I respect Sol Campbell for taking a lower league job as a route into management, I suspect if he were white he'd have been offered something further up the pyramid. Why? His only coaching role so far has been assistant manager of Trinidad and Tobago for a handful of matches. Hes a huge risk for any club. He was running for Tory mayor last I heard and frequently missed games, training etc due to personal issues during his career. I've no doubt there are racism issues in the managerial game but I don't think not giving top jobs to a decent defender who went awol a lot and couldn't pass the ball is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, The Nal said: Why? His only coaching role so far has been assistant manager of Trinidad and Tobago for a handful of matches. Hes a huge risk for any club. He was running for Tory mayor last I heard and frequently missed games, training etc due to personal issues during his career. I've no doubt there are racism issues in the managerial game but I don't think not giving top jobs to a decent defender who went awol a lot and couldn't pass the ball is one of them. And the first roles given to Giggs, Neville, Keane, Shearer? I think it's the level he should start at. I'm just wondering whether the shift from where the last set of ex-players started is due to a change of respect for ex-players, or the inherent racism in managerial appointments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Nal Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: And the first roles given to Giggs, Neville, Keane, Shearer? I think it's the level he should start at. I'm just wondering whether the shift from where the last set of ex-players started is due to a change of respect for ex-players, or the inherent racism in managerial appointments. Its both. There is inherent racism in managerial appointments, statistically there just has to be I think, but Sol is quite controversial. Missing games, subbing himself, suing clubs, personal issues etc. In the cases of those above - Giggs had never left the game, hardly a beacon of moral values granted, the Nev appointment was a joke but he was mates with the owner and is a great pundit, Keane was tipped by Fergie to take over from him and Shearer was appointed as a hopeful temporary new management bump to keep them up - go on lads play for this legend, which didn't work as you're well aware. If Sol does well he should move up through the leagues quickly. If he doesn't then maybe its time to ask questions. Just looked there though, some job ahead of him. Bottom of League 2, 3 wins from 20 games and 37 goals conceded. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryce Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 also the likes of Tony Adams and paul merson got jobs starting at the bottom ….might just be an arsenal thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Tbf Joey Barton is a bit of a gob shite as well but even he managed to walk into a League One club less than a year after hanging up his boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, pryce said: also the likes of Tony Adams and paul merson got jobs starting at the bottom ….might just be an arsenal thing An alco and an alco/cokehead/gambling addict. Big risks aswell. Big white risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Nal said: Its both. There is inherent racism in managerial appointments, statistically there just has to be I think, but Sol is quite controversial. Missing games, subbing himself, suing clubs, personal issues etc. In the cases of those above - Giggs had never left the game, hardly a beacon of moral values granted, the Nev appointment was a joke but he was mates with the owner and is a great pundit, Keane was tipped by Fergie to take over from him and Shearer was appointed as a hopeful temporary new management bump to keep them up - go on lads play for this legend, which didn't work as you're well aware. If Sol does well he should move up through the leagues quickly. If he doesn't then maybe its time to ask questions. Just looked there though, some job ahead of him. Bottom of League 2, 3 wins from 20 games and 37 goals conceded. Ouch. It's one hell of a tough job. One that says to me he's desperate to manage and hasn't got other opportunities. Lesser players like Nolan and Barton (as referenced already) got respectable league 1 jobs. Maybe it is the personal stuff and him specifically, I still think the racism question is one to ponder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 hours ago, kaosmark2 said: Decisions going against your team is part of football as is forgetting all the calls that went your way that shouldn't have. 2 hours ago, kaosmark2 said: While I respect Sol Campbell for taking a lower league job as a route into management, I suspect if he were white he'd have been offered something further up the pyramid. Perhaps years ago, I'd doubt it now. He's managed to ensure it's hard for people to take him seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, pryce said: also the likes of Tony Adams and paul merson got jobs starting at the bottom ….might just be an arsenal thing some players you think "he might make a good manager one day", and some players you don't. Which probably explains those jobs. Edited November 28, 2018 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comfy Bean Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 7 hours ago, The Nal said: Why? His only coaching role so far has been assistant manager of Trinidad and Tobago for a handful of matches. Hes a huge risk for any club. He was running for Tory mayor last I heard and frequently missed games, training etc due to personal issues during his career. I've no doubt there are racism issues in the managerial game but I don't think not giving top jobs to a decent defender who went awol a lot and couldn't pass the ball is one of them. This seems spot on to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comfy Bean Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 hours ago, kaosmark2 said: Maybe it is the personal stuff and him specifically, I still think the racism question is one to ponder. What price he raises that exact question after he gets binned. As has been said, it no doubt is a factor but I doubt it has anything to do with him not getting a job higher up the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 9 hours ago, Comfy Bean said: What price he raises that exact question after he gets binned. As has been said, it no doubt is a factor but I doubt it has anything to do with him not getting a job higher up the chain. My experience is that these "name" managers who come and manage in the lower leagues generally don't do well, I'm struggling to think of a successful one in recent time. That Macc job is a tough one, bottom of the league, not much money and 1 year from a big overachievement. I have no doubt the colour of his skin hindered him getting a managerial job initially post retired,but think 7 years out of football has made irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 17 hours ago, jyoung said: Tbf Joey Barton is a bit of a gob shite as well but even he managed to walk into a League One club less than a year after hanging up his boots. He got that because he's mates with the chairman by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: He got that because he's mates with the chairman by all accounts. Oh really. I wasn't aware of that, fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said: He got that because he's mates with the chairman by all accounts. Joey Barton has mates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: Joey Barton has mates? Ok, people who think he's less of an odious tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: Ok, people who think he's less of an odious tool. Also shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Anyone else hear a loud popping noise emanating from the Wolverhampton area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Today Wrexham have had our manager taken by Shrewsbury, at the end of last season we had our manager taken by Walsall. I look at a premiership table with Bournemouth, Burnley, Brighton and Cardiff and I can only think one thing. The 90s were so much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 FA Cup 3rd round draw on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WS_Jack_III Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 West ham's first win at SJP in 20 years today. Newcastle always lose when i'm feeling confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGayTent said: FA Cup 3rd round draw on Monday It's nice for me to have some interest for a change. Trouble is with a replay the carrot can be dangled and taken away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 hours ago, WS_Jack_III said: Newcastle always lose Think it could have been put down to this! It's been a drab few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, WS_Jack_III said: West ham's first win at SJP in 20 years today. Newcastle always lose when i'm feeling confident. No it wasn’t https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9666416/Newcastle-United-0-West-Ham-United-1-match-report.html Edited December 2, 2018 by TheGayTent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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