Football 18/19

[eFestivals]

Just now, thetime said:

He said an inappropriate joke that fell flat, it’s not the end of the world. Sexual harassment is banded out willy nilly these days. 

nicely put.

As I see it, if there's any sexism to it it's not in the wording of the 'joke', it's within making a trivialising joke where he (perhaps? I've no idea) wouldn't have made a similarly trivialising joke to the male winner.

[zahidf]

19 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

nicely put.

As I see it, if there's any sexism to it it's not in the wording of the 'joke', it's within making a trivialising joke where he (perhaps? I've no idea) wouldn't have made a similarly trivialising joke to the male winner.

He did not make a similar joke for the men's award. For some reason he treated them with more respect.

[kaosmark2]

It's saying a woman's sexuality is more important than what she's successful for. 

It's a demeaning and sexist comment. It's not sexual harassment (and I'm not sure who thinks it is?) 

[The Nal]

1 hour ago, thetime said:

He said an inappropriate joke that fell flat, it’s not the end of the world. Sexual harassment is banded out willy nilly these days. 

Hardly sexual harassment but clearly very sexist. 

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It's saying a woman's sexuality is more important than what she's successful for. 

It's a demeaning and sexist comment. It's not sexual harassment (and I'm not sure who thinks it is?) 

I'm also not sure it's sexual harassment. It's clearly massively sexist and he deserves to get shit for it.

I'm not sure you can justify massive sexism if your presenting an award which is for women.

[eFestivals]

13 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It's saying a woman's sexuality gender is more important than what she's successful for. 

as it was for the award itself.

[kaosmark2]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm also not sure it's sexual harassment. It's clearly massively sexist and he deserves to get shit for it.

I'm not sure you can justify massive sexism if your presenting an award which is for women.

He is getting a load of shit for it, which I'm fine with. He won't be asked to present awards like this again, which I'm fine with. That's as far as I expect it to go though.

[kaosmark2]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

as it was for the award itself.

The award both highlights and defines the gender imbalance. I'm not disagreeing with that. Whether it's a good or bad thing I'm not sure.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

The award both highlights and defines the gender imbalance. I'm not disagreeing with that. Whether it's a good or bad thing I'm not sure.

Most awards have male and female categories. That's how the sport itself is split as well. I'm not sure having an award for best female footballer is inherently sexist.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

The award both highlights and defines the gender imbalance. I'm not disagreeing with that. Whether it's a good or bad thing I'm not sure.

but if there are differences to the sexes and they can be recognised...?
(and the fact of that award says they can be)

It ends up as just a shit and inappropriate joke, like asking a top chef if he/she's good at washing up.

[zahidf]

Ha ha ha ha

 

 

[Wooderson]

Ubercringe at that clueless DJ's comments. What a prick.

[kaosmark2]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

but if there are differences to the sexes and they can be recognised...?
(and the fact of that award says they can be)

It ends up as just a shit and inappropriate joke, like asking a top chef if he/she's good at washing up.

It's a gender charged joke that sexualises her instead of focusing on whatever she's talented at. It's not the lack of wit that makes it shit.

[zahidf]

Ha!

 

[eFestivals]

14 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It's a gender charged joke that sexualises her instead of focusing on whatever she's talented at. It's not the lack of wit that makes it shit.

That can only work if twerking is always indisputably about sex and nothing else. That's an idea that's rejected for other dances.

I agree that it trivialises the talent she's being recognised for, which is where I see it as shit.

[Wooderson]

Neil is this really the molehill youre prepared to die on? Sheesh, take a holiday. ?

[WS_Jack_III]

It was sexist. I have no idea why he thought it would be a good thing to say. 

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Neil is this really the molehill youre prepared to die on? Sheesh, take a holiday. ?

Hey, I think he was a dick no different to you.  

But the offence is in trivialising her achievement, not anywhere else.

[The Nal]

On a different note, the Utd team that beat Arsenal 8-2 under Fergie. Fergie should receive a sainthood. 

De Gea

Jones Smalling Evans Evra

Nani Cleverley Anderson Young

Welbeck Rooney

 

[TheGayTent]

Only tells half the story - what was the arsenal team? 

[WS_Jack_III]

In other women's football news, former student of the school I work at, Beth Mead, was voted FSF player of the year!

 

[The Nal]

31 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

Only tells half the story - what was the arsenal team? 

Szcezny, Jenkinson, Dourou, Koscielny, Traore, Ramsey, Coquelin, Rosicky, Walcott, Van Persie, Arshavin. 

A freak of a result but any team with that Utd lineup scoring 8 seems miraculous looking at the last few years. 

That Utd team finished on 89 points winning 28 from 38 and 89 goals scored. So was Fergie that good or are Moyes, LVG and Jose just bad?

Anyway still chuckling to myself about Griezmann finishing ahead of Messi. And hes not happy about not winning it!

Edited December 4, 2018 by The Nal

[Wooderson]

5 hours ago, The Nal said:

Szcezny, Jenkinson, Dourou, Koscielny, Traore, Ramsey, Coquelin, Rosicky, Walcott, Van Persie, Arshavin. 

A freak of a result but any team with that Utd lineup scoring 8 seems miraculous looking at the last few years. 

That Utd team finished on 89 points winning 28 from 38 and 89 goals scored. So was Fergie that good or are Moyes, LVG and Jose just bad?

Anyway still chuckling to myself about Griezmann finishing ahead of Messi. And hes not happy about not winning it!

Bit of both.

[thetime]

5 hours ago, The Nal said:

Szcezny, Jenkinson, Dourou, Koscielny, Traore, Ramsey, Coquelin, Rosicky, Walcott, Van Persie, Arshavin. 

A freak of a result but any team with that Utd lineup scoring 8 seems miraculous looking at the last few years. 

That Utd team finished on 89 points winning 28 from 38 and 89 goals scored. So was Fergie that good or are Moyes, LVG and Jose just bad?

Anyway still chuckling to myself about Griezmann finishing ahead of Messi. And hes not happy about not winning it!

Can’t only be me who day dreams of fergie clothes lining Jose and signing a 3 year contract. 

[TheGayTent]

6 hours ago, The Nal said:

Szcezny, Jenkinson, Dourou, Koscielny, Traore, Ramsey, Coquelin, Rosicky, Walcott, Van Persie, Arshavin. 

There you are - Van Persie aside that’s a very ordinary (polite) Arsenal side.