Guest Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Probably a bit unvaried in places but here's what I've got: FridayPy: The 1975 / Disclosure / Dua Lipa / Franz Ferdinand / Steve Winwood / Declan McKenna / Salif KeitaOS: Jamie xx / The War on Drugs / Hot Chip / Friendly Fires / Carly Rae Jepsen / Portugal. The Man / Parquet Courts / Confidence Man / Bloc PartyWH: Run-DMC / Chaka Khan / The John Butler Trio / Toots & the Maytals / IamDDBJP: Yeah Yeah Yeahs / Editors / Vince Staples / Car Seat Headrest / IdlesPa: Courtney Barnett SaturdayPy: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauryn Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Billy Ocean / Kamasi Washington / Joan ArmatradingOS: The Chemical Brothers / Wolf Alice / Chvrches / The Wombats / Everything Everything / Pale Waves / Fickle Friends / Maggie Rodgers / Nina NesbittWH: Alabama Shakes / Jorja Smith / Young Fathers / Laura Mvula / Fatoumata DiawaraJP: Lily Allen / Mura Masa / Charli xcx / Miles Kane / Shame / MabelPa: My Bloody Valentine SundayPy: Paul McCartney / Vampire Weekend / The Specials / Diana Ross / Loyle Carner / Greta Van Fleet / Lucy RoseOS: The Streets / Jess Glynne / Years & Years / Tom Odell / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Tom Grennan / Lewis Capaldi / The Magic Gang / The Joy FormidableWH: Aphex Twin / Jungle / Tom Misch / Blood Orange / IbeyiJP: FKA Twigs / Grimes / Sigrid / The Horrors / DrengePa: Caribou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash011 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 I'd be chuffed if we got both Kendrick and The 1975 headlining tbh. Can't see if but I guess it works if McCartney's there to placate the Gammons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 I'd be more than happy with a trio of YYY's, Kendrick and Macca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj200 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, SomeoneListeningIn said: Probably a bit unvaried in places but here's what I've got: FridayPy: The 1975 / Disclosure / Dua Lipa / Franz Ferdinand / Steve Winwood / Declan McKenna / Salif KeitaOS: Jamie xx / The War on Drugs / Hot Chip / Friendly Fires / Carly Rae Jepsen / Portugal. The Man / Parquet Courts / Confidence Man / Bloc PartyWH: Run-DMC / Chaka Khan / The John Butler Trio / Toots & the Maytals / IamDDBJP: Yeah Yeah Yeahs / Editors / Vince Staples / Car Seat Headrest / IdlesPa: Courtney Barnett SaturdayPy: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauryn Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Billy Ocean / Kamasi Washington / Joan ArmatradingOS: The Chemical Brothers / Wolf Alice / Chvrches / The Wombats / Everything Everything / Pale Waves / Fickle Friends / Maggie Rodgers / Nina NesbittWH: Alabama Shakes / Jorja Smith / Young Fathers / Laura Mvula / Fatoumata DiawaraJP: Lily Allen / Mura Masa / Charli xcx / Miles Kane / Shame / MabelPa: My Bloody Valentine SundayPy: Paul McCartney / Vampire Weekend / The Specials / Diana Ross / Loyle Carner / Greta Van Fleet / Lucy RoseOS: The Streets / Jess Glynne / Years & Years / Tom Odell / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Tom Grennan / Lewis Capaldi / The Magic Gang / The Joy FormidableWH: Aphex Twin / Jungle / Tom Misch / Blood Orange / IbeyiJP: FKA Twigs / Grimes / Sigrid / The Horrors / DrengePa: Caribou I don't like that I would put Bastille on the other stage and artic monkeys instead of the 1975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Hugh Jass said: I'd be more than happy with a trio of YYY's, Kendrick and Macca. I'd do YYYs, The Chemical Brothers and Macca. I'm not a big Chems fan mind but probably the closest I'd get to watching an Other stage headliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) Clashes abound with that one. Not to say it’s not possible of course (and clashes are inevitable) but... Fri: Jamie XX vs. Run-DMC vs. Courtney Barnett. (J-XX would probably win, but ouch.) Sat: Kendrick vs. Chems (K-Man wins, but oof.) Sun: Macca vs. The Streets vs. Caribou (ugh can’t even call this one.) Edited August 8, 2018 by kalifire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Piggy Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Swap Courts Bazza with MBV please. MBV, Kenny, Aphex Twin is the 2019 dream trio. Unless NIN are still active. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 15 hours ago, jj200 said: I don't like that I would put Bastille on the other stage and artic monkeys instead of the 1975 Of course you would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mantis Toboggan Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Small one, would appreciate any feedback FRIDAY pyramid: Kendrick Lamar, LCD Soundsystem, Sam Smith, J Hus other: Catfish & The Bottlemen, Weezer , Chvrches WH: David Byrne / JP: Deftones / Pa: Caribou SATURDAY pyramid: Arctic Monkeys , Disclosure , Dua Lipa , Wolf Alice other: Portishead, Vampire Weekend , Placebo WH: Anderson Paak & The Free Nationals / JP : Alabama Shakes / Pa : King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard SUNDAY pyramid: Paul McCartney , The War On Drugs , Iggy Pop , Diana Ross other: Travis Scott, Janelle Monae , The Kooks WH: Grimes / JP: Interpol / Pa: My Bloody Valentine Edited August 15, 2018 by Dr Mantis Toboggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyPorter Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Think one TWOD set would be dull enough. Edited August 15, 2018 by Retro P Well corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Not enough women in that line up, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj200 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Where is courtnerrs because they play every two years. Also Bastille missing where would they be on the line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 43 minutes ago, Dr Mantis Toboggan said: Small one, would appreciate any feedback FRIDAY pyramid: Kendrick Lamar, LCD Soundsystem, Sam Smith, J Hus other: Catfish & The Bottlemen, Weezer , Chvrches WH: David Byrne / JP: Deftones / Pa: Caribou SATURDAY pyramid: Arctic Monkeys , Disclosure , Dua Lipa , Wolf Alice other: Portishead, Vampire Weekend , Placebo WH: Anderson Paak & The Free Nationals / JP : Alabama Shakes / Pa : King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard SUNDAY pyramid: Paul McCartney , The War On Drugs , Iggy Pop , Diana Ross other: Travis Scott, Janelle Monae , The Kooks WH: Grimes / JP: Interpol / Pa: My Bloody Valentine LCD subbing would be a bold call, not one I could see happening. Wolf Alice played fourth down the Pyramid two years ago and are bigger now. Swap them and Weezer round perhaps? Rest looks ok, although that Kendrick/David Byrne clash is rather cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Ok here is rubbish attempt... How do you guys not get bored thinking of acts for each stage... after a few I threw any in haha! and removed a couple of stages... too much time on some peoples hands Friday: Pyramid - Arctic Monkeys, Tame Impala, Paolo Nutini, Years & Years, James Bay, Other – Chemical Brothers, Dua Lipa, Band of Skulls, Friendly Fires, The Temper Trap, John Peel - Clean Bandit, Sundara Karma, Circa Waves, Tom Grennan, Jorja Smith Saturday Pyramid – Drake, Two Door Cinema Club, Nothing But Thieves, Deacon Blue, Other – Foals, Bastille, Chvrches, Courteeners, The Kooks, John Peel – Foster the People, George Ezra, Twenty One Pilots, Of Monsters and Men, Gerry Cinnamon Sunday: Pyramid - Fleetwood Mac, Vampire Weekend, Manic Street Preachers, Cher, Hozier, Other - The Prodigy, Royal Blood, 5 Seconds of Summer, The Naked & Famous, Paul Heaton & Jacqui Abbott, John Peel – The Vaccines, Alabama Shakes, Django Django, Future Islands, The Amazons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermerv Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Havors said: Ok here is rubbish attempt... How do you guys not get bored thinking of acts for each stage... after a few I threw any in haha! and removed a couple of stages... too much time on some peoples hands Friday: Pyramid - Arctic Monkeys, Tame Impala, Paolo Nutini, Years & Years, James Bay, Other – Chemical Brothers, Dua Lipa, Band of Skulls, Friendly Fires, The Temper Trap, John Peel - Clean Bandit, Sundara Karma, Circa Waves, Tom Grennan, Jorja Smith Saturday Pyramid – Drake, Two Door Cinema Club, Nothing But Thieves, Deacon Blue, Other – Foals, Bastille, Chvrches, Courteeners, The Kooks, John Peel – Foster the People, George Ezra, Twenty One Pilots, Of Monsters and Men, Gerry Cinnamon Sunday: Pyramid - Fleetwood Mac, Vampire Weekend, Manic Street Preachers, Cher, Hozier, Other - The Prodigy, Royal Blood, 5 Seconds of Summer, The Naked & Famous, Paul Heaton & Jacqui Abbott, John Peel – The Vaccines, Alabama Shakes, Django Django, Future Islands, The Amazons Future Islands are bit low down, didn't they sub JP last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Havors said: Ok here is rubbish attempt... How do you guys not get bored thinking of acts for each stage... after a few I threw any in haha! and removed a couple of stages... too much time on some peoples hands It's why I never bother. I do think there's some underground game at play where you score points for having a certain number of obscure bands and/or indie darlings in certain slots EDIT: you get bonus points from me for putting Of Monsters And Men in there somewhere Edited August 15, 2018 by Quark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Quark said: It's why I never bother. I do think there's some underground game at play where you score points for having a certain number of obscure bands and/or indie darlings in certain slots EDIT: you get bonus points from me for putting Of Monsters And Men in there somewhere Haha yeah theres always the hipsters scoring hipster points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Supermerv said: Future Islands are bit low down, didn't they sub JP last year? Yeah I didnt really put them in order... that was when I was losing concentration ha! I would have them headlining myself I love them ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj200 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Havors said: Ok here is rubbish attempt... How do you guys not get bored thinking of acts for each stage... after a few I threw any in haha! and removed a couple of stages... too much time on some peoples hands Friday: Pyramid - Arctic Monkeys, Tame Impala, Paolo Nutini, Years & Years, James Bay, Other – Chemical Brothers, Dua Lipa, Band of Skulls, Friendly Fires, The Temper Trap, John Peel - Clean Bandit, Sundara Karma, Circa Waves, Tom Grennan, Jorja Smith Saturday Pyramid – Drake, Two Door Cinema Club, Nothing But Thieves, Deacon Blue, Other – Foals, Bastille, Chvrches, Courteeners, The Kooks, John Peel – Foster the People, George Ezra, Twenty One Pilots, Of Monsters and Men, Gerry Cinnamon Sunday: Pyramid - Fleetwood Mac, Vampire Weekend, Manic Street Preachers, Cher, Hozier, Other - The Prodigy, Royal Blood, 5 Seconds of Summer, The Naked & Famous, Paul Heaton & Jacqui Abbott, John Peel – The Vaccines, Alabama Shakes, Django Django, Future Islands, The Amazons I will go with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Piggy Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Havors said: Ok here is rubbish attempt... How do you guys not get bored thinking of acts for each stage... after a few I threw any in haha! and removed a couple of stages... too much time on some peoples hands Friday: Pyramid - Arctic Monkeys, Tame Impala, Paolo Nutini, Years & Years, James Bay, Other – Chemical Brothers, Dua Lipa, Band of Skulls, Friendly Fires, The Temper Trap, John Peel - Clean Bandit, Sundara Karma, Circa Waves, Tom Grennan, Jorja Smith Saturday Pyramid – Drake, Two Door Cinema Club, Nothing But Thieves, Deacon Blue, Other – Foals, Bastille, Chvrches, Courteeners, The Kooks, John Peel – Foster the People, George Ezra, Twenty One Pilots, Of Monsters and Men, Gerry Cinnamon Sunday: Pyramid - Fleetwood Mac, Vampire Weekend, Manic Street Preachers, Cher, Hozier, Other - The Prodigy, Royal Blood, 5 Seconds of Summer, The Naked & Famous, Paul Heaton & Jacqui Abbott, John Peel – The Vaccines, Alabama Shakes, Django Django, Future Islands, The Amazons Tbf I (and presumably most people who post big predictions) just have one saved in my notes and update it every now and then if someone announces new material or tour dates or whatever, or if we find out on here they look like playing. 59 minutes ago, Quark said: It's why I never bother. I do think there's some underground game at play where you score points for having a certain number of obscure bands and/or indie darlings in certain slots EDIT: you get bonus points from me for putting Of Monsters And Men in there somewhere I mean, lower down on stages like the Park that's basically what it is in real life, so the predictions reflect that. I also fill lots of the lower stages with acts I read about on the new music thread in here which tbf is often obscure indie bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloorFiller Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 As is the tradition with a FloorFiller prediction there are a bunch of acts too high up, vacant spaces, puzzling omissions that I forgot to add and things that are just plain wrong 'cause I got bored half way through but stick one of these in your pipe and smoke it: Friday: PY: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauren Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Run-DMC / Kamasi Washington / OS: The Prodigy / Hot Chip / Hozier / Franz Ferdinand / Sigrid / Portugal. The Man / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Parquet Courts /WH: Jon Hopkins / Alabama Shakes / Toots & the Maytals / Blood Orange / Moses Sumney / JP: Interpol / Lily Allen / Miles Kane / The Breeders / Let's Eat Grandma / Confidence Man / PA: Courtney Barnett / Dirty Projectors / Julien Baker / Rolling Coastal Blackout Fever / Camp Cope / Amen Dunes / Saturday: PY: Arctic Monkeys / Stormzy / Dua Lipa / Van Morrison / Father John Misty / John Grant / OS: Jamie xx / Jess Glynne / J Hus / St. Vincent / Shame / Car Seat Headrest / WH: Janelle Monae / Jungle / Young Fathers / Rex Orange County / Kelela / JP: Friendly Fires / Charli XCX / Death Grips / Idles / Hinds / PA: My Bloody Valentine / Grizzly Bear / Oh Sees / Snail Mail / Superorganism / The Beths / Sunday: PY: Madonna / Jamiroquai / George Ezra / Kylie Minogue / Kacey Musgraves / Anderson Paak. & the Free Nationals / OS: The Streets / Wolf Alice / James Bay / Blossoms / Lykke Li / Pale Waves / King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard / WH: David Byrne / Chaka Khan / Jorja Smith / Mount Kimbie / JP: Chvrches / Grimes / Brockhampton / Mumford & Sons (secret set) / Mura Masa / The Lemon Twigs / Iceage / PA: FKA twigs / Beach House / Alvvays / Boy Azooga / Soccer Mommy / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priest17 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, FloorFiller said: As is the tradition with a FloorFiller prediction there are a bunch of acts too high up, vacant spaces, puzzling omissions that I forgot to add and things that are just plain wrong 'cause I got bored half way through but stick one of these in your pipe and smoke it: Friday: PY: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauren Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Run-DMC / Kamasi Washington / OS: The Prodigy / Hot Chip / Hozier / Franz Ferdinand / Sigrid / Portugal. The Man / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Parquet Courts /WH: Jon Hopkins / Alabama Shakes / Toots & the Maytals / Blood Orange / Moses Sumney / JP: Interpol / Lily Allen / Miles Kane / The Breeders / Let's Eat Grandma / Confidence Man / PA: Courtney Barnett / Dirty Projectors / Julien Baker / Rolling Coastal Blackout Fever / Camp Cope / Amen Dunes / Saturday: PY: Arctic Monkeys / Stormzy / Dua Lipa / Van Morrison / Father John Misty / John Grant / OS: Jamie xx / Jess Glynne / J Hus / St. Vincent / Shame / Car Seat Headrest / WH: Janelle Monae / Jungle / Young Fathers / Rex Orange County / Kelela / JP: Friendly Fires / Charli XCX / Death Grips / Idles / Hinds / PA: My Bloody Valentine / Grizzly Bear / Oh Sees / Snail Mail / Superorganism / The Beths / Sunday: PY: Madonna / Jamiroquai / George Ezra / Kylie Minogue / Kacey Musgraves / Anderson Paak. & the Free Nationals / OS: The Streets / Wolf Alice / James Bay / Blossoms / Lykke Li / Pale Waves / King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard / WH: David Byrne / Chaka Khan / Jorja Smith / Mount Kimbie / JP: Chvrches / Grimes / Brockhampton / Mumford & Sons (secret set) / Mura Masa / The Lemon Twigs / Iceage / PA: FKA twigs / Beach House / Alvvays / Boy Azooga / Soccer Mommy / That Saturday is so unfair, I'm stressed thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj200 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, FloorFiller said: As is the tradition with a FloorFiller prediction there are a bunch of acts too high up, vacant spaces, puzzling omissions that I forgot to add and things that are just plain wrong 'cause I got bored half way through but stick one of these in your pipe and smoke it: Friday: PY: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauren Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Run-DMC / Kamasi Washington / OS: The Prodigy / Hot Chip / Hozier / Franz Ferdinand / Sigrid / Portugal. The Man / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Parquet Courts /WH: Jon Hopkins / Alabama Shakes / Toots & the Maytals / Blood Orange / Moses Sumney / JP: Interpol / Lily Allen / Miles Kane / The Breeders / Let's Eat Grandma / Confidence Man / PA: Courtney Barnett / Dirty Projectors / Julien Baker / Rolling Coastal Blackout Fever / Camp Cope / Amen Dunes / Saturday: PY: Arctic Monkeys / Stormzy / Dua Lipa / Van Morrison / Father John Misty / John Grant / OS: Jamie xx / Jess Glynne / J Hus / St. Vincent / Shame / Car Seat Headrest / WH: Janelle Monae / Jungle / Young Fathers / Rex Orange County / Kelela / JP: Friendly Fires / Charli XCX / Death Grips / Idles / Hinds / PA: My Bloody Valentine / Grizzly Bear / Oh Sees / Snail Mail / Superorganism / The Beths / Sunday: PY: Madonna / Jamiroquai / George Ezra / Kylie Minogue / Kacey Musgraves / Anderson Paak. & the Free Nationals / OS: The Streets / Wolf Alice / James Bay / Blossoms / Lykke Li / Pale Waves / King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard / WH: David Byrne / Chaka Khan / Jorja Smith / Mount Kimbie / JP: Chvrches / Grimes / Brockhampton / Mumford & Sons (secret set) / Mura Masa / The Lemon Twigs / Iceage / PA: FKA twigs / Beach House / Alvvays / Boy Azooga / Soccer Mommy / I don't like this one because churches are too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Piggy Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, FloorFiller said: As is the tradition with a FloorFiller prediction there are a bunch of acts too high up, vacant spaces, puzzling omissions that I forgot to add and things that are just plain wrong 'cause I got bored half way through but stick one of these in your pipe and smoke it: Friday: PY: Kendrick Lamar / Ms. Lauren Hill / Iggy Pop / Christine & the Queens / Run-DMC / Kamasi Washington / OS: The Prodigy / Hot Chip / Hozier / Franz Ferdinand / Sigrid / Portugal. The Man / Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes / Parquet Courts /WH: Jon Hopkins / Alabama Shakes / Toots & the Maytals / Blood Orange / Moses Sumney / JP: Interpol / Lily Allen / Miles Kane / The Breeders / Let's Eat Grandma / Confidence Man / PA: Courtney Barnett / Dirty Projectors / Julien Baker / Rolling Coastal Blackout Fever / Camp Cope / Amen Dunes / Saturday: PY: Arctic Monkeys / Stormzy / Dua Lipa / Van Morrison / Father John Misty / John Grant / OS: Jamie xx / Jess Glynne / J Hus / St. Vincent / Shame / Car Seat Headrest / WH: Janelle Monae / Jungle / Young Fathers / Rex Orange County / Kelela / JP: Friendly Fires / Charli XCX / Death Grips / Idles / Hinds / PA: My Bloody Valentine / Grizzly Bear / Oh Sees / Snail Mail / Superorganism / The Beths / Sunday: PY: Madonna / Jamiroquai / George Ezra / Kylie Minogue / Kacey Musgraves / Anderson Paak. & the Free Nationals / OS: The Streets / Wolf Alice / James Bay / Blossoms / Lykke Li / Pale Waves / King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard / WH: David Byrne / Chaka Khan / Jorja Smith / Mount Kimbie / JP: Chvrches / Grimes / Brockhampton / Mumford & Sons (secret set) / Mura Masa / The Lemon Twigs / Iceage / PA: FKA twigs / Beach House / Alvvays / Boy Azooga / Soccer Mommy / Finally a prediction without Kendrick and MBV having horrible clashes. Probably David Byrne on the Sunday to round off a pretty stellar trio. Parquet Courts > Confidence Man > Let's Eat Grandma > Iggy Pop > Ms. Lauryn Hill > Kendrick Lamar Car Seat Headrest > St. Vincent > Death Grips > Charli XCX > My Bloody Valentine Anderson .Paak > Lykke Li > Soccer Mommy > Alvvays > Beach House > David Byrne Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Yah too many good acts. Would be hell. Think Gizz would place higher, but they were strangely low last year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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