Are Tories welcome at Glastonbury

[babyblade41]

right I must away as I have visitors shortly and the ice bucket needs a polish 

[frostypaw]

Ok let's take some generous figures lets take the number of families hit by the benefits cap on some assumption all these people are just taking the piss.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10236891/Thousands-of-single-people-living-on-benefits-worth-23000.html 

So say 40,000 households were really raking it in from the benefits system at the most so maybe 80,000 people - over 65,000,000 people in the uk 80,000/65,511,098 * 100 = 0.12%

The number of those who are genuinely just work shy folk screwing the system will be some small portion of that - so yes. Infintesimal. Your turn....

[Rose-Colored Boy]

2 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

right I must away as I have visitors shortly and the ice bucket needs a polish 

I'll be waiting

[babyblade41]

Just now, frostypaw said:

Ok let's take some generous figures lets take the number of families hit by the benefits cap on some assumption all these people are just taking the piss.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10236891/Thousands-of-single-people-living-on-benefits-worth-23000.html 

So say 40,000 households were really raking it in from the benefits system at the most so maybe 80,000 people - over 65,000,000 people in the uk 80,000/65,511,098 * 100 = 0.12%

The number of those who are genuinely just work shy folk screwing the system will be some small portion of that - so yes. Infintesimal. Your turn....

I will try later as I really do have a guest coming and I am not ignoring you....  I appreciate you googling for me 

[jonodillieono]

Smyths on Thursday decided to sing Hang Theresa instead of Hang the DJ during Panic. Everyone was singing along, good times.

Fuck the tories. They shouldn't be welcome

[adjwholovesmusic]

jonodillieono, 

Please don't beat around the bush!!  Tell us what you really think about the Conservative Party??

[Lad]

20 minutes ago, jonodillieono said:

Smyths on Thursday decided to sing Hang Theresa instead of Hang the DJ during Panic. Everyone was singing along, good times.

Fuck the tories. They shouldn't be welcome

You sound really kerazee.You could question people and compile a dossier of anyone who meets your disapproval. 

[Hugh Jass]

Where's Russy when you need him? He'd have a field day on this thread.

[Quark]

4 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Where's Russy when you need him? He'd have a field day on this thread.

If you type his name three times he appears and calls you a c**t before vanishing in a cloud of righteous fury

[frostypaw]

11 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Where's Russy when you need him? He'd have a field day on this thread.

I think he's picking out a nice hat for the Qatar Goodwood Festival, or possibly still inspecting the cleaning of his Hunters.

[stuartbert two hats]

12 minutes ago, Quark said:

If you type his name three times he appears and calls you a c**t before vanishing in a cloud of righteous fury

@russycarps @russycarps @russycarps

[Ommadawn]

2 hours ago, adjwholovesmusic said:

We finally have a Politician that actually cares, understands our day to day struggle and wants everyone from all walks of life to be given a fighting chance, to have a better future with a decent home. A Politician who has stuck to his values and maintains the same  principles he had from the start of his political career. A politician who has certainly connected with me and it seems many many other people alike.

.. .and who will never be able to deliver even a tiny proportion of his aims and promises. Just writing off student debt will cost £100.5 billion pounds. Where's that money going to come from? I see he's already back-peddling on that one saying it will happen when it's affordable. Well that will be fucking never.

[jonodillieono]

33 minutes ago, Lad said:

You sound really kerazee.You could question people and compile a dossier of anyone who meets your disapproval. 

Yer da

[Lad]

In your case it's yer ma.Soft shite.

[Thunderstruck]

2 hours ago, frostypaw said:

Nobody's questioning that I don't think, but the number of them is infinitesimal compared to what people believe. 

It goes beyond the utterly jobless though - don't forget the "hard work pays" belief, which many very hard workers can tell you is FAR from the case as they still struggle to make ends meet let alone afford the private healthcare and generous pension plan deposits that will be required in the Tory utopia. They seem to live in some fantasy land where there are actually an infinite number of well paid jobs that people could get if only they'd actually put in some effort - HAH.

In part I agree with the Tory line that people who want to can make something of themselves. But it just does not work like that in the real world. Especially when the same government does pathetic things like cap the pay of some of the hardest working people at 1%. It's crazy! 

Tbf to the current government they have managed to get record amounts of employment, which is good. 

[frostypaw]

21 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

£100.5 billion pounds

It's strange - how did we once afford students at all? Anyone would think we'd have been galloping into mega debts annually by these numbers. Hmm....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40000409

Edited July 10, 2017 by frostypaw

[frostypaw]

2 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

Tbf to the current government they have managed to get record amounts of employment, which is good. 

Check what counts as 'employment' before celebrating that. Change the definition of child poverty and look! It's no more.

[Lad]

4 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

In part I agree with the Tory line that people who want to can make something of themselves. But it just does not work like that in the real world. Especially when the same government does pathetic things like cap the pay of some of the hardest working people at 1%. It's crazy! 

Tbf to the current government they have managed to get record amounts of employment, which is good. 

Very low paid insecure work for the biggest part.

[MadScientist]

Why do tories think people have to tolerate their BS? Perhaps people have been more tolerant of tories in the past when they hadn't implemented policies that have deeply hurt and literally killed people. 

If you want to know why people aren't happy with tories and why people have been particularly vocal about it at Glastonbury this year look at things like Grenfell tower, literally hundreds of people (despite what media is saying) died in that building as a direct result of tory policy, cuts and underfunding. If that isn't enough surviving victims are being forced out of London.

It's tories that are intolerant and it's the poor they wont tolerate. To act like it's lefties that are intolerant is just naive. Lefties are just reacting to socioeconomic pressure as the bulk of people on the left are generally young and working class. Tories are extremely exclusionary and if you're feeling a bit left out because people are not just lying down and accepting manslaughter and abuse from the government then boohoo.

The political sphere isn't neutral and never has been and nor should it be. Go to glastonbury if you enjoy it but don't start complaining about the politics that have been there since 1970. You wouldn't see me turning up to a tory gala and complaining when people refused to entertain the idea of socialism. 

Edited July 10, 2017 by MadScientist

[Rose-Colored Boy]

15 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

Tbf to the current government they have managed to get record amounts of employment, which is good. 

That's exactly what they'd want you to think though. Any 'employment rate' statistics which include zero hours contract jobs and jobs that earn less than £7.85 an hour are jolly well bogus.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Zac Quinn

[Ommadawn]

9 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

It's strange - how did we once afford students at all? Anyone would think we'd have been galloping into mega debts annually by these numbers. Hmm....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40000409

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/15/uk-student-loan-debt-soars-to-more-than-100bn

[Lad]

4 minutes ago, MadScientist said:

Why do tories think people have to tolerate their BS? Perhaps people have been more tolerant of tories in the past when they hadn't implemented policies that have deeply hurt and literally killed people. 

If you want to know why people aren't happy with tories and why people have been particularly vocal about it at Glastonbury this year look at things like Grenfell tower, literally hundreds of people (despite what media is saying) died in that building as a direct result of tory policy, cuts and underfunding. If that isn't enough surviving victims are being forced out of London.

It's tories that are intolerant and it's the poor they wont tolerate. To act like it's lefties that are intolerant is just naive. Lefties are just reacting to socioeconomic pressure as the bulk of people on the left are generally young and working class. Tories are extremely exclusionary and if you're feeling a bit left out because people are not just lying down and accepting manslaughter and abuse from the government then boohoo.

The political sphere isn't neutral and never has been and nor should it be. Go to glastonbury if you enjoy it but don't start complaining about the politics that have been there since 1970. You wouldn't see me turning up to a tory gala and complaining when people refused to entertain the idea of socialism. 

There's a difference in people accepting the dominant ethos and wanting to ban someone cos of thought crime.Most of the lefties on show at Glastonbury were posh.

Where do you get your figures for the fire?

 

 

 

[Dave_c]

I don't really have a strong political view or interest but what I take from it is that all parties promise the moon on a stick and don't deliver it. They also don't, as far as I can tell, publicly advertise the cuts necessary in other areas to deliver their policies, so it's all a public manipulation in my opinion.

Regarding the initial question, of course Tories are welcome at Glastonbury, but they can't moan about the political message and views of the festival as it's pretty evident before said Tories even buy a ticket. 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Dave_c

[Mash011]

4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/15/uk-student-loan-debt-soars-to-more-than-100bn

Get out with this, the Labour policy is to scrap fees, not to scrap existing debt. There is an 'ambition' to eventually scrap the debt but it has never been a policy. And a large but unclear amount of that debt isnt getting paid back anyway, as said in the article you've linked 'the majority of graduates will never pay off their whole student loan debt before it is wiped off 30 years after their graduation'. Get yer facts straight. 

[Mash011]

Sorry I need to stop getting dragged into this garbage thread. #ToriesOut