Kneecap

[TheDayman]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

tbh I prefer just a bit of honesty...maybe saying we support the cause of Hamas/Hezbollah but not the means or something...instead of just saying and doing all this stuff and then just rowing back on it all and saying anyone suggesting they do obviously supports genocide.

 

Kneecap have said they don’t support Hezbollah or Hamas. They’ve condemned attacks on civilians. What they do support is Palestinian liberation, and they’re angry - rightfully - at what many human rights groups and legal bodies are calling ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
 

It’s absolutely wild to me that people are more comfortable nitpicking the tone of a hip-hop group than confronting the reality that +55k people have been killed, most of them civilians, in Gaza.

But sure, let’s keep pretending the real problem here is a badly judged chant/flag/social media post.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

 

Kneecap have said they don’t support Hezbollah or Hamas. They’ve condemned attacks on civilians. What they do support is Palestinian liberation, and they’re angry - rightfully - at what many human rights groups and legal bodies are calling ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
 

It’s absolutely wild to me that people are more comfortable nitpicking the tone of a hip-hop group than confronting the reality that +55k people have been killed, most of them civilians, in Gaza.

But sure, let’s keep pretending the real problem here is a badly judged chant/flag/social media post.

yes, and I get all that...but still...again...he picked up that flag and paraded it.

If someone did same with a swastika..or the Russian flag...or the Israeli flag...would we accept that they do not actually support this and the come out with a bunch of excuses.

[ironmike8]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

tbh I prefer just a bit of honesty...maybe saying we support the cause of Hamas/Hezbollah but not the means or something...instead of just saying and doing all this stuff and then just rowing back on it all and saying anyone suggesting they do obviously supports genocide.

That is pretty much what they say, just in a lot more words.

 

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they limit what they say based on legal advice and an ongoing court case now.

[TheDayman]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yes, and I get all that...but still...again...he picked up that flag and paraded it.

If someone did same with a swastika..or the Russian flag...or the Israeli flag...would we accept that they do not actually support this and the come out with a bunch of excuses.

Comparing the Hezbollah flag to a swastika is a false equivalence - one is pretty much universally recognised as a symbol of genocide, and the other exists in a very different lens, more related to a resistance movement, as uncomfortable and controversial as that might sound.  
 

Kneecap said the flag was thrown on stage, they waved it in a charged moment, and they’ve since said clearly they don’t support Hezbollah. That’s not "a bunch of excuses",  it’s them explaining something that blew up far beyond a few seconds on stage. We can criticise poor judgment without pretending it’s proof of secret allegiances to terrorism.

Holding artists to account is fair, but demanding they pass purity tests while ignoring the actual war crimes they’re protesting isn’t.

[TheDayman]

This is quite an interesting (and eye-opening) piece of journalism:
 

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 hour ago, bobsacamano said:

 

100% and this has very little to do with Israel/Palestine in Scotland. The violent sectarianism in Glasgow can go off very easily and doesn't need much of a spark. Bear in mind the police in Scotland are getting very f**king tired of policing the sectarian morons on both sides. Totally different situation to Glastonbury.

Agree strongly with that. Up here it’s not the Palestine tragedy that would cause trouble. It’s the whole sectarian thing that’s sadly been going on for generations. That’s what the worry is around Kneecap at Transmt. It won’t take long for buckfast fuelled neds on both sides to kick off. 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

This is quite an interesting (and eye-opening) piece of journalism:
 

 

Ah. Lowkey

[siblin]

1 hour ago, TheDayman said:

Well then, as you say, best to avoid the area if it puts your mind at ease.

But I will say the Glastonbury ticket sale also pre-dates all the Hezbollah stuff, so if you're concerned about terrorist sympathisers at Glasto, there's probably bigger worries than the Kneecap gig.

No it’s obviously not that (though I’m sure they will be there!), it’s more that it’s been whipped up to a powder keg with emotional people holding opposing and binary, unyielding views.  People who (beyond usual whataboutism) believe that the actions of one side justify those of the other.  Just takes one idiot to set a match to that.

[Nicklord]

1 hour ago, TheDayman said:

 

Kneecap have said they don’t support Hezbollah or Hamas. They’ve condemned attacks on civilians. What they do support is Palestinian liberation, and they’re angry - rightfully - at what many human rights groups and legal bodies are calling ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
 

It’s absolutely wild to me that people are more comfortable nitpicking the tone of a hip-hop group than confronting the reality that +55k people have been killed, most of them civilians, in Gaza.

But sure, let’s keep pretending the real problem here is a badly judged chant/flag/social media post.

That's like me saying Israel isn't killing civilians because they say they aren't doing it.

 

Kneecap can say whatever they want but their actions speak differently. They showed support for terrorist organizations at least 3 times so far.

 

No, I'm not saying Kneecap is doing the same things as Israel. Just pointing out how you pick things you like. 

 

Kneecap supported terrorist. It's very obvious why the guy will go to court. It's not some deep conspiracy. A person supports terrorists, that person gets into trouble. Shocking 

Edited May 22, 2025 by Nicklord

[Spindles]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

EDL?

Nah, red army faction for me.  I like my terrorists to be old school cool.

[Colorblindjames]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

But I'm starting to think it's worries like this that might mean they will get cancelled.

You seem very interested in a band you don’t like. I think you are just sh*t stirring now. Just making up random nonsense. 

[Colorblindjames]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

kind of puts to bed the whole they do not support Hezbollah thing though...unless it's just more of that Irish satire and humour of course.

I’m surprised it took this long for your anti Irish side to come through. 
 

[Superscally]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

yes, and I get all that...but still...again...he picked up that flag and paraded it.

If someone did same with a swastika..or the Russian flag...or the Israeli flag...would we accept that they do not actually support this and the come out with a bunch of excuses.

I don't know what the Hezbollah flag is. If someone had thrown me it with a Palestinian one I'd probably have done the same.

[steviewevie]

38 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

You seem very interested in a band you don’t like. I think you are just sh*t stirring now. Just making up random nonsense. 

Hey man it's all just satire.

But also .. surely security concerns will be one of the things that the festival organisers will be thinking about.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Superscally said:

I don't know what the Hezbollah flag is. If someone had thrown me it with a Palestinian one I'd probably have done the same.

Yeah, probably an innocent mistake.

[Superscally]

1 hour ago, Nicklord said:

That's like me saying Israel isn't killing civilians because they say they aren't doing it.

 

Kneecap can say whatever they want but their actions speak differently. They showed support for terrorist organizations at least 3 times so far.

 

No, I'm not saying Kneecap is doing the same things as Israel. Just pointing out how you pick things you like. 

 

Kneecap supported terrorist. It's very obvious why the guy will go to court. It's not some deep conspiracy. A person supports terrorists, that person gets into trouble. Shocking 

Well they've been proIRA since day 1, but I don't see an earlier charge...BUT WE ALL KNOW WHY THAT IS, DON'T WE?

[Colorblindjames]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, probably an innocent mistake.

If someone handed me that flag I wouldn’t have a clue what it was.
 

Remember some Tory suit we in N.Ireland don’t vote for had a brain fart in 2019 and decided they should be banned. We don’t have to agree with this. 

[TheDayman]

1 hour ago, Nicklord said:

That's like me saying Israel isn't killing civilians because they say they aren't doing it.

 

Kneecap can say whatever they want but their actions speak differently. They showed support for terrorist organizations at least 3 times so far.

 

No, I'm not saying Kneecap is doing the same things as Israel. Just pointing out how you pick things you like. 

 

Kneecap supported terrorist. It's very obvious why the guy will go to court. It's not some deep conspiracy. A person supports terrorists, that person gets into trouble. Shocking 

 

I’m actually glad you made that comparison, because we can at least agree on one thing: Israel is killing civilians - on a massive scale - despite denying the extent of it.

 

But let’s also acknowledge the imbalance here. You’re equating a state, with enormous military and political power, to a rap group performing on stage. That’s a false equivalence. And while we’re on it, maybe you can help me understand why the UK is so quick to charge Kneecap over symbolic gestures, yet so slow to take any action against a state credibly accused of war crimes?

 

If you genuinely believe that waving a flag thrown on stage or reading a politically provocative book is the same as materially supporting terrorism, then sure, it probably feels like an open-and-shut case. But most people can see the difference between poor judgement, political anger, and actual support for armed groups.

[TheDayman]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Hey man it's all just satire.

But also .. surely security concerns will be one of the things that the festival organisers will be thinking about.

When did Kneecap claim what they did was satire?

 

They are a politically satire group but I don’t remember seeing them attempt to excuse things by claiming satire.

 

They did say this though:

 

“Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay.”  

[Physical_graffiti]

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

tbh I prefer just a bit of honesty...maybe saying we support the cause of Hamas/Hezbollah but not the means or something...instead of just saying and doing all this stuff and then just rowing back on it all and saying anyone suggesting they do obviously supports genocide.

Why would you believe them if they said that but not if they say they don’t support Hezbollah, based on nothing, when you don’t know them? Because one fits your agenda that they are terrorist sympathizers and one doesn’t? Admit that sometimes in life you can be wrong. 

[Physical_graffiti]

8 hours ago, Nicklord said:

That's like me saying Israel isn't killing civilians because they say they aren't doing it.

 

Kneecap can say whatever they want but their actions speak differently. They showed support for terrorist organizations at least 3 times so far.

 

No, I'm not saying Kneecap is doing the same things as Israel. Just pointing out how you pick things you like. 

 

Kneecap supported terrorist. It's very obvious why the guy will go to court. It's not some deep conspiracy. A person supports terrorists, that person gets into trouble. Shocking 

Why are you pretending you believe kneecap support terrorists?

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Physical_graffiti said:

Why would you believe them if they said that but not if they say they don’t support Hezbollah, based on nothing, when you don’t know them? Because one fits your agenda that they are terrorist sympathizers and one doesn’t? Admit that sometimes in life you can be wrong. 

Very true, and maybe I do have an agenda.

But, they have been accused of supporting terrorists, and then there's evidence of them shouting Up whoever and holding terrorist group flags and saying kill your MP, and it seems people are going round all sorts of corners excusing or justifying it, they didn't know what the flag was or they're not serious its part of their act or they're actually freedom fighters or Israel are the terrorists and shouldn't people be more concerned about Israeli genocide.

Anyway, young people have always liked rebellion...from rebel with out a cause to Che Guevara tshirts to anarchy in the uk to rebel without a pause...and now Kneecap are that thing being all sexy irish brits out rebels...but the Israel/Palestine is the cause at the moment because we're all watching the horrific scenes unfold and the west is complicit because Israel is an ally and there's all that history and it's distressing....and Kneecap really are voicing that, but...as performance art? and they don't mean all the things they say?

Anyway, I think they will probably still play because there will be a real stink if they don't..and hopefully everyone will get what they want from it, peace in the middle east.

Edited May 23, 2025 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

But despite their cosplay of Irish republican paramilitaries for the bantz...the N Ireland peace process was won by politics and diplomacy and that is what is needed in Israel/Palestine but that just isn't there at moment. We have two genocidal sides against each other, but one side is a lot more powerful and is doing the actual genocide...and without a political solution I can't see it stopping until the ultimate conclusion...and it just seems everyone wants to pick a side and support the defeat of the other and there's all these accusations of antisemitism or zionist or supporting genocide and the war crimes are mounting up and the UN complains but nothing happens and everyone gets angrier and angrier and Israelis get shot in DC and conspiracies swirl and it just needs less heat and more diplomacy and something that actually works in ending this.

Edited May 23, 2025 by steviewevie

[ironmike8]

9 hours ago, Nicklord said:

That's like me saying Israel isn't killing civilians because they say they aren't doing it.

 

Kneecap can say whatever they want but their actions speak differently. They showed support for terrorist organizations at least 3 times so far.

 

No, I'm not saying Kneecap is doing the same things as Israel. Just pointing out how you pick things you like. 

 

Kneecap supported terrorist. It's very obvious why the guy will go to court. It's not some deep conspiracy. A person supports terrorists, that person gets into trouble. Shocking 

Do you keep lying about their motivations because the case against them is so flimsy?

[Colorblindjames]

11 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Ah. Lowkey

Ah, playing the man not the ball.