FloopFiller Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said: Listen mate you made no attempt to seriously reply to the points I've made and instead decided to play the man. Your comment got the response it deserved. "What a strange argument, even from you." Whataboutism isn’t a valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouserat Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 I do think there's an 'apples and oranges' to any comparison between Dave and a US act like Frank Ocean/Tyler/Childish Gambino, purely because Glastonbury is always going to be much more likely to give a leg up to a UK act no matter who has more streams/number ones/sold out stadium tours. And this is even more pronounced if it's a genre outside the festival's "usual" for headliners historically. You are much more likely to get someone like Snoop Dogg or Eminem headlining the Pyramid than Frank Ocean or Tyler the Creator, even if the latter artists are more exciting, but you're also more likely to get Dave than Eminem because of that UK bias. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Suprefan said: Tyler has his own little festival that sells out with no lineup announced in prior to ticket sales and Dave could never muster such a thing. You can watch it this weekend if you want and see how he can pull all of it together cause of who he is friends with. Dave would be at the bottom of the schedule is he played. the reason your mum doesnt knoe a certain artist is cause you lot wanna keep new and interesting artists off the big stages and just put the boring safe ones up there. That's really interesting thank you for letting me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Suprefan said: Tyler has his own little festival that sells out with no lineup announced in prior to ticket sales and Dave could never muster such a thing. You can watch it this weekend if you want and see how he can pull all of it together cause of who he is friends with. Dave would be at the bottom of the schedule is he played. Still spectacularly failing to understand America is not the UK. 6 hours ago, Suprefan said: the reason your mum doesnt knoe a certain artist is cause you lot wanna keep new and interesting artists off the big stages and just put the boring safe ones up there. Do you know we don't do the bookings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superscally Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Suprefan said: Tyler has his own little festival that sells out with no lineup announced in prior to ticket sales and Dave could never muster such a thing. You can watch it this weekend if you want and see how he can pull all of it together cause of who he is friends with. Dave would be at the bottom of the schedule is he played. the reason your mum doesnt knoe a certain artist is cause you lot wanna keep new and interesting artists off the big stages and just put the boring safe ones up there. Just because America thinks (or tells you) they're interesting, doesn't mean they're any good... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Glastonbury just wouldn't book anyone like Tyler, The Creator*. Too feart, too conservative, too parochial. (*Except for Earl Sweatshirt who played this year) Edited November 10, 2023 by CaledonianGonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Actually, I always forget he's already played. https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2013/jul/01/tyler-creator-glastonbury-2013?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16996092390169&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmusic%2F2013%2Fjul%2F01%2Ftyler-creator-glastonbury-2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Actually, I always forget he's already played. He did indeed - in spite of the petition to pull him! https://www.change.org/p/tell-glastonbury-no-to-rape-culture-pull-tyler-the-creator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Sosie B just needed to be a bit more edgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, sisco said: Someone for the younger audience. For example FredAgain would have done fairly well I’d imagine Yes, good shout. I very much doubt he would have taken it, though. Rumour has it, he was offered the Other headline slot for the Friday but turned it down. No doubt, he already has his future plan in place. Everything he seems to do appears to be deliberate and carefully mapped out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernangel Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Suprefan said: Tyler has his own little festival that sells out with no lineup announced in prior to ticket sales and Dave could never muster such a thing. You can watch it this weekend if you want and see how he can pull all of it together cause of who he is friends with. Dave would be at the bottom of the schedule is he played. the reason your mum doesnt knoe a certain artist is cause you lot wanna keep new and interesting artists off the big stages and just put the boring safe ones up there. So you're trying to suggest that an American rapper does well in a country where rap is and always has been one of it's music focal points? Rappers and Hip hop acts are the first thing that enters my head musically when I think America. Doesn't mean it translates to the UK though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorblindjames Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, FloopFiller said: Whataboutism isn’t a valid point. Either are your milquetoast musical tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said: Either are your milquetoast musical tastes. Setting yourself apart from the groupthink and the milquetoast again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 * muttering "Wait'll they get a load of me!!!" to myself as I prepare to shock the squares on the Glastonbury forum by revealing my love for Eminem* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american idiot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Hoped this would be an interesting conversation but can’t say I’m surprised it’s devolved so quickly into whatever this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Milquetoast is 2023's Cuck Another one to add to the eFests glossary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 hours ago, american idiot said: How is it not even close when Tyler has had more top 10 albums than him? Especially when half of Dave’s hits have come off the back of collaborating with Central Cee (who is exponentially more popular among young people), not solo work. and I don’t mean to come off sounding like I don’t like Dave’s music, I do. He’d probably smash a headliner set. I’m just curious where your line of thinking comes from. Dave has headlined R&L, Wireless etc before - Tyler has never done shows nearly that big here. 8 hours ago, Suprefan said: Tyler has his own little festival that sells out with no lineup announced in prior to ticket sales and Dave could never muster such a thing. Bad Bunny could also do this in the US yet couldn't sell out Pryzm Watford over here. Suprefan with another stupid comparison (shocker!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksamthompson Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, gfa said: Dave has headlined R&L, Wireless etc before - Tyler has never done shows nearly that big here. Bad Bunny could also do this in the US yet couldn't sell out Pryzm Watford over here. Suprefan with another stupid comparison (shocker!) tyler has headlined wireless... and parklife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Jacksamthompson said: tyler has headlined wireless... and parklife. right scrap that lol R&L defo a bigger show though than either of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomf3 Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, american idiot said: Hoped this would be an interesting conversation but can’t say I’m surprised it’s devolved so quickly into whatever this Agreed. Thankfully Glastonbury is musically diverse, and seems to quite enjoy booking headliners that are a bit of a surprise and certain people moan, but then in hindsight turn out to be a great booking. So really anything could happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, tomf3 said: Agreed. Thankfully Glastonbury is musically diverse, and seems to quite enjoy booking headliners that are a bit of a surprise and certain people moan, but then in hindsight turn out to be a great booking. So really anything could happen! Not very often though, most are very predictable "safe" bookings*. *West Holts and The Park excepted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skip997 said: Not very often though, most are very predictable "safe" bookings*. *West Holts and The Park excepted It's really no surprise that they book big acts (safe) for the big stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 West Holts and The Park also book safe acts i.e. acts appropriate for the size of the stage and the likely demographic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloopFiller Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: West Holts and The Park also book safe acts i.e. acts appropriate for the size of the stage and the likely demographic. Yep, there’s just a lot more of them at that mid-level size (and the size of them often varies) so it’s harder to initially predict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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