When will covid end ? Please be nice and respectful to others

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Crazy called me a twat if that helps.  It's always that side of the debate that starts with the insults 

because the other side are c**ts?

[fraybentos1]

11 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Ok so you are right there might be a 0.000000000000000001% chance of me passing on covid that I don’t have … fair enough you are right 😂

I mean I think you’re sensible to do the lateral flows but I hope you’re not being serious with that percent you gave. It’s obviously a way higher chance of you having it than that.

[Hugh Jass]

53 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You know people carry it without symptoms...  or have you  been living in a box?  I'll stop being a twat when you stop being thick 

Great to see the "please be respectful" thing working well...

[BobWillis2]

2 hours ago, DeanoL said:

 

But then the "open everything up crowd" were saying it's spread like wildfire and it needed to, as that way we could have the peak in summer when the NHS could cope. They said we had to open up in summer because a winter peak would be a total disaster. They were wrong too. And we're still headed for the winter peak they were concerned about.

 

Should have done what I said and ended all restrictions back in spring when groups 1-4 were fully vaccinated. 
Could have had the bulk of this school wave done and dusted by the summer holidays. 

[BobWillis2]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

 don’t be a twat 

Please be nice and respectful to others…

[efcfanwirral]

26 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Should have done what I said and ended all restrictions back in spring when groups 1-4 were fully vaccinated. 
Could have had the bulk of this school wave done and dusted by the summer holidays. 

Yeah I hope we don't make the mistake of keeping the inevitable social distancing restrictions going beyond March time this time. Next year needs to be handled better 

Though I suspect we'll actually be using the booster jab take up in younger people as the carrot and keep it going til a similar time as this year 

Edited October 20, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[JoeyT]

[zahidf]

32 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Yeah I hope we don't make the mistake of keeping the inevitable social distancing restrictions going beyond March time this time. Next year needs to be handled better 

Though I suspect we'll actually be using the booster jab take up in younger people as the carrot and keep it going til a similar time as this year 

What are you talking about? its not inevitable. I don't even think its plausible. And it certainly wont be going until next July. I know youre worried but come on. Catastrophising like this isnt helpful

Edited October 20, 2021 by zahidf

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

Ok so you are right there might be a 0.000000000000000001% chance of me passing on covid that I don’t have … fair enough you are right 😂

 

This is my issue with people who think it’s wrong not to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport.

 

You state there there is a very much minimal chance of you having (and therefore passing on) covid when you went to your gig. I completely agree with you. Between you not having symptoms and testing negative on lateral flows, I think it’s a completely valid conclusion that you are highly unlikely to have covid at that point in time.

 

 

Now, I’m getting the train in to town after work tonight to have a few drinks with a friend and watch the champions league in the pub. I, like you, feel fit and well, and I, like you, have tested negative on lateral flow tests both earlier today and on two other occasions this week.

 

Why the hell should I wear a mask on the train tonight? 

[zahidf]

8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

This is my issue with people who think it’s wrong not to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport.

 

You state there there is a very much minimal chance of you having (and therefore passing on) covid when you went to your gig. I completely agree with you. Between you not having symptoms and testing negative on lateral flows, I think it’s a completely valid conclusion that you are highly unlikely to have covid at that point in time.

 

 

Now, I’m getting the train in to town after work tonight to have a few drinks with a friend and watch the champions league in the pub. I, like you, feel fit and well, and I, like you, have tested negative on lateral flow tests both earlier today and on two other occasions this week.

 

Why the hell should I wear a mask on the train tonight? 

I only wear a mask now if a friend asks me to politely or if im going to a GP/Hospital. Otherwise im not bothering

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

I mean I think you’re sensible to do the lateral flows but I hope you’re not being serious with that percent you gave. It’s obviously a way higher chance of you having it than that.

With my health condition as explained it’s very unlikely a I’ll be asymptomatic or b my blood sugars don’t sky rocket with infection …. Which are pretty key signs of impending illness , and yeah I was joking a little with my figures 

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, BobWillis2 said:

Please be nice and respectful to others…

Ok so I say to my mates in the pub don’t be a twat …. Look at the context …. And the wording … if I’d said you are a twat then you have every Justification in pulling me up … I guess that kind of gets lost on the internet a little … apologies if that was misinterpreted because of my wording 

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

I find it baffling that you’d say you don’t think gigs should be allowed but if they are allowed you’ll go to them. Seems very strange to me 

Why do you find it strange?

There's a strategy: let COVID spread, hope hospitalisations stay low and accept the deaths we get as unavoidable. I don't like that strategy. But, as a nation, that's the strategy being imposed on us by the government. I don't dislike the like the strategy because of anyone in particular that I'm worried about (because our relative that were at risk from have died from it already) - but because I don't think morally it's right.

But I can't change that strategy. And me choosing to take myself out of it (as far as I can I would still have to go in to the office etc.) doesn't help. In fact, I make things worse, because I'm not contributing to the strategy of "let it spread" like most people are, so I'd just be slowing us down on the road we're taking. I can't make us turn around. It'd just be a sort of boycott, which never work either.

Or put another way: I don't think the governments help-to-buy ISA scheme is right. I think they should be spending that money on reforming the rental market and creating a country where home ownership isn't the be-all and end-all financially, and that long-term renting is a viable and sensible option. But that's not what we're doing. That's not the country I live in. So I'm buying a house and using the HTB ISA scheme.

Do you own a smartphone? Does that mean you think the labour practices in the Chinese factory that made it should be allowed?

Do you watch porn? Are you happy with the porn industry as a whole, or your porn supplier, in terms of how they treat the actors?

I know "be the change you want see" and all that is popular right now, but it's also feel-good hippy nonsense. It's not how change happens. Sometimes you just got to admit that life's not the way you'd want it to me, and make the most out of it.

 

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, BobWillis2 said:

Should have done what I said and ended all restrictions back in spring when groups 1-4 were fully vaccinated. 
Could have had the bulk of this school wave done and dusted by the summer holidays. 

Yeah, you got that one right and I got it wrong, to be honest.

[Crazyfool01]

38 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

This is my issue with people who think it’s wrong not to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport.

 

You state there there is a very much minimal chance of you having (and therefore passing on) covid when you went to your gig. I completely agree with you. Between you not having symptoms and testing negative on lateral flows, I think it’s a completely valid conclusion that you are highly unlikely to have covid at that point in time.

 

 

Now, I’m getting the train in to town after work tonight to have a few drinks with a friend and watch the champions league in the pub. I, like you, feel fit and well, and I, like you, have tested negative on lateral flow tests both earlier today and on two other occasions this week.

 

Why the hell should I wear a mask on the train tonight? 

I suppose the obvious answer is to encourage others that haven’t been as responsible as yourself to do likewise … unfortunately we operate on a herd mentality and that’s a harsh reality … encouraging more people to wear them generally and keeping levels down as much as possible … so my colleagues have slowly removed them since the Boris announcement some as late as a week ago … is that because it’s safer ? No it’s because they followed the lead of others and easily a majority of staff without now … 

[zahidf]

Good

 

[BobWillis2]

26 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I suppose the obvious answer is to encourage others that haven’t been as responsible as yourself to do likewise … unfortunately we operate on a herd mentality and that’s a harsh reality … encouraging more people to wear them generally and keeping levels down as much as possible … so my colleagues have slowly removed them since the Boris announcement some as late as a week ago … is that because it’s safer ? No it’s because they followed the lead of others and easily a majority of staff without now … 

We’re at the stage now that there’s a huge shift to personal responsibility not a collective responsibility. 

With vaccines, boosters, testing etc it’s not solely my responsibility to make sure that everybody else is as protected as they can be. 
Masks are not as great as they’re made out to be. Masks and social distancing help to reduce spread, social distancing probably taking the lions share of that work but they don’t stop the spread or this would be over by now. 
Cloth masks for example are utterly pointless, they do next to nothing for both outward and inward protection. 

If someone has had their vaccines and still feels like their personal risk level is too high then there are extra precautions they can take themselves. It’s not March 2020 any more, proper respirator masks which actually provide real protection are readily available and would be far more beneficial than a shop with 100% mask compliance but 60% of those wearing a cut up T-shirt on their face. 
 

Bringing in restrictions again should not sit well with anybody, I didn’t get vaccinated to spend my winter in and out of lockdowns again. I didn’t get vaccinated to carry on wearing masks again and I certainly didn’t get vaccinated to stay home. 

Edited October 20, 2021 by BobWillis2

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

What are you talking about? its not inevitable. I don't even think its plausible. And it certainly wont be going until next July. I know youre worried but come on. Catastrophising like this isnt helpful

Im not worried at all, accepting of it all now. And fine, we'll see won't we

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Im not worried at all, accepting of it all now. And fine, we'll see won't we

yeah, bring it on.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

I only wear a mask now if a friend asks me to politely or if im going to a GP/Hospital. Otherwise im not bothering

but you could think about wearing one as our esteened health secretary suggests.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

but you could think about wearing one as our esteened health secretary suggests.

I've thought about it and I don't like wearing them, so I won't 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I've thought about it and I don't like wearing them, so I won't 

I'm same with condoms.

[steviewevie]

 

[efcfanwirral]

Is it really going to be like this every 6 months? Holding us hostage using our freedoms to get jabbed over and over again? Because there still isn't really much acknowledgement that if it wanes after 6 months it will wane every 6 months...

There is a HUGE disconnect between threatening that if there aren't enough boosters then there will be home working and vaccine passports for clubs and events. One more affects older people and the other younger people...

Edited October 20, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[JoeyT]

If “people doing their bit” is simply wearing a mask or opening a window then make it a fucking rule if you’re that bothered. Jesus.

What’s the point in wearing a mask to Tesco if you’ve got 10k people at an indoor gig down the road etc.

The logic is ridiculous.