news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Isnt that whats gonna happen anyway when he rejoins to Tory party?

First past the post encourages extremism by making people feel like they have no voice.

I’d rather have farage as PM leading a far right party on 20% with his wings clipped by a coalition than farage as PM with a tory majority and carte blanche to do what he likes.

The Sverige Democrats propping up the Swedish govt here is preferable to a Trump, Bolsonaro, Milei situation.

What I hear is that the far right is on the rise, liberals arent so enamoured with democracy anymore. I heard some centrist podcast praising the French system lately basically because Macron was able to win and has a lot of executive power. But what happens when Le Pen wins next time and has the same executive power?

Rigging democracy to give you the result you want only works for so long. So short sighted. 

it's the direction...Wilders can say stuff like he'll ban mosques and have zero immigration and then win...and maybe he can't get what he wants in coalition, but people will see that and think woo...there's something in this...and then some one else comes along and says we'll kick out all muslims and bring back hanging and they win etc etc...

[squirrelarmy]

Hope you’re all watching Spaffer at the enquiry. To say he is out of his depth is an understatement 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Hope you’re all watching Spaffer at the enquiry. To say he is out of his depth is an understatement 

I'm suprised he found the venue.

[steviewevie]

I've watched/listened to some of it. Think he's doing ok, nothing unexpected. He certainly proportioning blame like others have...I'm actually willing to cut him some slack on our covid response in hindsight.

[squirrelarmy]

15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I've watched/listened to some of it. Think he's doing ok, nothing unexpected. He certainly proportioning blame like others have...I'm actually willing to cut him some slack on our covid response in hindsight.

Are you watching the same thing? He literally said if he looked at the data he was given then he would have acted differently 

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Are you watching the same thing? He literally said if he looked at the data he was given then he would have acted differently 

Good old Boris.

[steviewevie]

the slack is currently being severely stretched.

[squirrelarmy]

Lots of important meetings he was either away for or couldn’t be bothered attending as he thought it was just the flu. 
 

I’m wondering why the government didn’t act regardless. He is clearly an idiot so why wait for him to get his act together. 

[steviewevie]

I'm giving him/them some slack because it is a massive decision to lock down the country, in terms of the economic damage, but also societal damage. I understand why they might try and find alternatives, but sounds like they were just an indecisive mess in those early months, and meanwhile covid was doing it's exponential thing and the numbers coming out of other countries were looking bad. 

[steviewevie]

but Johnson was obviously the wrong man for the job ...he doesn't like hard, detailed work...or at least this sort of hard, detailed work...and he is a liberal to his bones so putting restrictions on people's lives is against everything he is for (apart from free movement between europe and UK the twat).

But would Sunak have been better? Would Corbyn? Obviously Starmer would 🙂

[steviewevie]

...if Rory Stewart had been PM we'd have avoided covid altogether.

[steviewevie]

Anyway, Johnson not promoting any anti lockdown message...he would have locked down earlier if he knew then what he knows now...it was those bloody scientists and their behavioural fatigue thing.

[lost]

Thought it was already common knowledge. We were going to do a Sweden until prof Ferguson ran his sim city for viruses simulation and we then paniced and locked down. Pretty sure America ended up doing the same thing and locking down on Fergusons predicted numbers.

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but Johnson was obviously the wrong man for the job ...he doesn't like hard, detailed work...or at least this sort of hard, detailed work...and he is a liberal to his bones so putting restrictions on people's lives is against everything he is for (apart from free movement between europe and UK the twat).

But would Sunak have been better? Would Corbyn? Obviously Starmer would 🙂

Corbyn/Labour were calling for more restrictions if not a full on lockdown in the weeks leading up to the first lockdown. They would’ve also made sure more people were looked after financially too. 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, lost said:

Thought it was already common knowledge. We were going to do a Sweden until prof Ferguson ran his sim city for viruses simulation and we then paniced and locked down. Pretty sure America ended up doing the same thing and locking down on Fergusons predicted numbers.

Maybe common made up knowledge in your world.

[lost]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe common made up knowledge in your world.

Boris has just mentioned it 😄

The half a million deaths number was delivered by him on March 16th. On March 23, the UK scrapped the Sweden plan and decided to go the lockdown route.

Edited December 6, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

24 minutes ago, lost said:

Boris has just mentioned it 😄

The half a million deaths number was delivered by him on March 16th. On March 23, the UK scrapped the Sweden plan and decided to go the lockdown route.

must have missed that bit.

[cellar]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I did find this...

Keir moaning about when lockdowns will end!  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/keir-starmer-calls-for-ministers-to-set-out-plans-to-end-coronavirus-lockdown

 

Haha, brilliant

[steviewevie]

There's quite a lot Bojo can't recall, but he definitely rejects that he was indecisive.

[steviewevie]

They need the sh*t thread in this inquiry. 

[steviewevie]

actually had a look, doesn't start till March 22nd...too late. 

 

[steviewevie]

Quite nice those early days on that sh*t thread despite all the scary sh*t...troll free.

[lost]

I think its unlikey any government would of gone against sage which appeared to be a power struggle between Whitty and Prof Ferguson in the run up to lockdown. The more aggressive alternative/fake sage were not formed until May 2020

Edited December 6, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

Bojo loves lockdowns.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

And that was entirely a political organisation which had very little to do with science and everything to do with political lobbying.  Totally incomparable to real Sage.  Whitty said this himself during the inquiry.

Sadly a few poster around here fell for it.

Yes set up by Carole Cadwalladr who has been completely discredited since by a court case involving Arron Banks