news & politics:discussion

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Sturgeon accused of breaking the ministerial code, misleading parliament and conspiring with senior civil servants and the crown office (legal )in the dealings with the Salmond sexual harassment case. A trial that ended up in his acquittal. The BBC news website is probably the most concise version of the story. She has been refusing to release the crown office legal advice she’s been receiving and redacting other documents released to a parliamentary committee investigating the whole clusterfuck. 

Thanks for going through it 😀

[Gilgamesh69]

On a more meta note though, is there really much point in us arguing? I can't see either side convincing the other to change; it just seems like we will be going in circles forever..

I mean i wish I could show you all the brilliant future that socialism would bring and get you to change your wicked ways, but I am only one man 😞

[zahidf]

 

[squirrelarmy]

1 hour ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

I mean i wish I could show you all the brilliant future that socialism would bring and get you to change your wicked ways, but I am only one man 😞

You’re trying to convert the wrong people. I don’t think many on here are against socialism. 
 

Of course socialism can work in the right country. We’re not that country though yet. There’s too many greedy Tories and clueless voters.
 

 

[topmarksbri]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

You know, being on the left is like waiting for the rest of the political spectrum to catch up to your ideas but never being able to say ‘I told you so’ because the other parties all pretend they came up with the idea. But whatever right? So long as it gets done.

 

How incredibly conceited.

2 hours ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

On a more meta note though, is there really much point in us arguing? I can't see either side convincing the other to change; it just seems like we will be going in circles forever..

I mean i wish I could show you all the brilliant future that socialism would bring and get you to change your wicked ways, but I am only one man 😞

I'm pretty sure we're all socialists/socdems we just disagree on the best way to get to a government. Plenty of reason to discuss that as news changes the strategy on how to get in government on a daily basis. As much as I disagree with many on here about JC/KS/Labour in general we're all far politically closer to each other than we are to 99% of the country. 

[mattiloy]

7 hours ago, topmarksbri said:

How incredibly conceited.

 

 

[Ozanne]

 

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Lewis Goodall is an excellent reporter.

[steviewevie]

Sturgeon coming out fighting.

 

[Ozanne]

Nicola Sturgeon always speaks really well. I feel like she always answers questions or at least tries too. 

[DeanoL]

15 hours ago, steviewevie said:

being green doesn't seem to be a left-right issue here anymore, which is good news. How you go about imposing a green economy could be though, but hard to see it happening without state intervention. And with austerity most economists now think this went too far and too hard. But, it's not necessarily what Sunak does in this budget, but in budgets in the next few years. If still have a large deficit and if interest rates could rise he might be spooked enough to start cutting as well as raising taxes.

I read this a few months back: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08K3XDGJV/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

I'd be lying if I said I understood it completely, but her argument is that we already have massive state intervention in the economy - that we're able to spend these billions on the COVID response proves it. And that the money we borrow is effectively borrowed from large companies and industry, who therefore have a vested interest in the country succeeding, so you have an economy that is already planned by banks, corporations and the government. The notion that we actually have a free market any more is a myth. 

So with that in mind, it's certainly possible to plan the economy in a different way - the tools already exist, it's whether the government is willing to exercise them for the benefit of everyone and not just the large corporations.

[Haan]

15 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I read this a few months back: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08K3XDGJV/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

I'd be lying if I said I understood it completely, but her argument is that we already have massive state intervention in the economy - that we're able to spend these billions on the COVID response proves it. And that the money we borrow is effectively borrowed from large companies and industry, who therefore have a vested interest in the country succeeding, so you have an economy that is already planned by banks, corporations and the government. The notion that we actually have a free market any more is a myth. 

So with that in mind, it's certainly possible to plan the economy in a different way - the tools already exist, it's whether the government is willing to exercise them for the benefit of everyone and not just the large corporations.

Grace Blakeley is really cool, I haven't read her work but I loved her on Question Time and articles are v good too.

I think we can definitely push for a Green New Deal type reworking of the economy, this video goes over it well 

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Nicola Sturgeon always speaks really well. I feel like she always answers questions or at least tries too. 

both her and Salmond. They have between them made the SNP what it is today, and brought Scotland close to independence...and now they're going tear lumps out of each other.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Nicola Sturgeon always speaks really well. I feel like she always answers questions or at least tries too. 

What a strange take considering what she is speaking about. She is in front of a committee answering questions bout her handling of complaints about Salmond and whether she has broken the ministerial code (e.g a resign-worthy offence).

Never ceases to amaze me that left wingers in England seem to view Sturgeon/ SNP as some sort of amazing/ progressive force when the reality is anything but.

[Ozanne]

Sturgeon appears to be really struggling under questioning from Jackie Baillie. 

[squirrelarmy]

Big day for the thread. PM avoiding Questions at 12 followed straight by the budget. 

[Ozanne]

Then a briefing by the Chancellor at 1700. I love me some politics although nothing will be as good as the days when Theresa May was trying to force through her Brexit deal. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Haan]

 

7 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Big day for the thread. PM avoiding Questions at 12 followed straight by the budget. 

 

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Then a briefing by the Chancellor at 1700. I love me some politics although nothing will be as good as the days when Theresa May was trying to force through her Brexit deal. 

 

 Budget day! Interested to see what's announced and how everyone will react

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sturgeon appears to be really struggling under questioning from Jackie Baillie. 

nothing to justify her resignation so far though, right?

[st dan]

So are we putting the contactless payment to £100 now then just because we can, as we are no longer bound by EU limits on this? Is it some attempt at a pro-Brexit, two fingers up to the EU and Remainers? And what actually are the positives of doing so? I quite liked the comfort that if I lost my card then purchases were capped to under £45 should somebody find it and want to use it. 

[SwedgeAntilles]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

nothing to justify her resignation so far though, right?

Nope. Which is why the Scottish Tories came out last night pushing for a vote of no confidence, they already knew there wasn't going to be enough to justify it.

 

[Ozanne]

Just now, SwedgeAntilles said:

Nope. Which is why the Scottish Tories came out last night pushing for a vote of no confidence, they already knew there wasn't going to be enough to justify it.

 

It’s so rich of the Tories to demand she resign when they have a leader that regularly lies to Parliament and the public but suffers no consequences at all. 

[squirrelarmy]

Boris trying to justify the sale of weapons to the Saudis 😂 

 

[fraybentos1]

21 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Nope. Which is why the Scottish Tories came out last night pushing for a vote of no confidence, they already knew there wasn't going to be enough to justify it.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s so rich of the Tories to demand she resign when they have a leader that regularly lies to Parliament and the public but suffers no consequences at all. 

It is obv too early for a VONC but in the separate inquiry into whether she has broken the ministerial code if she is found to have done- then why shouldn't she resign?

Scottish leaders have gone for less (see: Mcleish, Alexander etc). Why does how appalling the tories are matter?