2022 Headliners

[Hugh Jass]

4 minutes ago, henry bear said:

She's playing Helsinki on the Thursday and Friday and then Oslo on the Sunday. I think it's unlikely.

Exactly. She’s either have to do Glastonbury-Helsinki back to back or Glastonbury-Oslo.

Not impossible but not a formality by any stretch.

[Somto Unigwe Raphael]

6 minutes ago, jparx said:

Tbf I thought Prinal Scream pretty much self confirmed themselves?

Can’t remember this but fair play if so. I know they’re about at the time so I’ve still had them down as JP headliners in my prediction.

[henry bear]

4 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Exactly. She’s either have to do Glastonbury-Helsinki back to back or Glastonbury-Oslo.

Not impossible but not a formality by any stretch.

She's only got the Saturday spare. If she did Glasto it'd be a 4 day stretch. Imagine the logistics of getting her whole production from Helsinki to Pilton and back to Oslo on consecutive days? And I can't see her now being that keen to do the Other when Billie's topping the Pyramid. I reckon she'll be a 2023 headliner.

Edited February 20, 2022 by henry bear

[Matt42]

9 minutes ago, henry bear said:

She's playing Helsinki on the Thursday and Friday and then Oslo on the Sunday. I think it's unlikely.

 

4 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Exactly. She’s either have to do Glastonbury-Helsinki back to back or Glastonbury-Oslo.

Not impossible but not a formality by any stretch.

Two different set ups. One stays in Scandinavia in a van and the other gets delivered to Glastonbury a week or so before. Easy. All she has to do is take a plane with her crew.

[Hugh Jass]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

 

Two different set ups. One stays in Scandinavia in a van and the other gets delivered to Glastonbury a week or so before. Easy. All she has to do is take a plane with her crew.

Matt, if it was an act you weren’t desperate to see with that schedule would you be saying the same?

[Matt42]

Just now, Hugh Jass said:

Matt, if it was an act you weren’t desperate to see with that schedule would you be saying the same?

If they were on the 2020 lineup and available to fulfil the slot they were down for yes.

If it was an act who wasn’t on the 2020 poster I’d probably not discuss it at the same length. But pretty much everyone who was on that poster and is free I expect to be there really. Considering that Sam Fender is third down it’s pretty clear to me that they’ve kept most of the 2020 bill in place.

[henry bear]

Prepare to be disappointed then! 

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, henry bear said:

Prepare to be disappointed then! 

We shall see!

[Hugh Jass]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

If they were on the 2020 lineup and available to fulfil the slot they were down for yes.

If it was an act who wasn’t on the 2020 poster I’d probably not discuss it at the same length. But pretty much everyone who was on that poster and is free I expect to be there really. Considering that Sam Fender is third down it’s pretty clear to me that they’ve kept most of the 2020 bill in place.

Let’s wait and see. As I’ve said, she might do it, although I have my doubts on how the festival’s green credentials would feel about an act jetting in and out from Scandinavia just for a 90 minute set…

What is true though is that there are legitimate reasons to doubt whether it will happen.

[mcshed]

12 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 

Two different set ups. One stays in Scandinavia in a van and the other gets delivered to Glastonbury a week or so before. Easy. All she has to do is take a plane with her crew.

I don't think anyone is saying it's impossible but just that she isn't exactly nailed on with that logistical hurdle to deal with.

[Somto Unigwe Raphael]

Plus no even even said she’s not doing it. They said it’s up for grabs, because we don’t know who’s doing it.

[FloorFiller]

Dua headlining Other this year is only gonna delay her inevitable climb to headlining the Pyramid. When she was booked in 2020, she was big, but it was still debatable just how big she could get. Now that she’s a certainty for a top spot in the very near future, it doesn’t make as much sense for her to take that other slot. Headlining next year or ‘24 imo (depending on what year Taylor ends up being rebooked, I reckon).

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

Let’s wait and see. As I’ve said, she might do it, although I have my doubts on how the festival’s green credentials would feel about an act jetting in and out from Scandinavia just for a 90 minute set…

What is true though is that there are legitimate reasons to doubt whether it will happen.

What the act does for the rest of their tour is their business and not Glastonbury’s. I just think if she was sacking off Glastonbury because she wanted to tour Scandinavia she’d put a date on Glasto Saturday not Glasto Sunday. Thursday to Sunday makes it look to me like there’s another gig going in there.

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

What the act does for the rest of their tour is their business and not Glastonbury’s. I just think if she was sacking off Glastonbury because she wanted to tour Scandinavia she’d put a date on Glasto Saturday not Glasto Sunday. Thursday to Sunday makes it look to me like there’s another gig going in there.

Or.. y’know… one of those rest days every single act in the world enjoys having every now and then.

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

Dua headlining Other this year is only gonna delay her inevitable climb to headlining the Pyramid. When she was booked in 2020, she was big, but it was still debatable just how big she could get. Now that she’s a certainty for a top spot in the very near future, it doesn’t make as much sense for her to take that other slot. Headlining next year or ‘24 imo (depending on what year Taylor ends up being rebooked, I reckon).

Can’t you make that argument about a few acts booked for this year? Sam Fender is playing pretty low when he could definitely demand higher. 

Cancelling on your Glastonbury slot because you want to headline is a pretty risky move if the festival doesn’t ask you back.

[Hugh Jass]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

What the act does for the rest of their tour is their business and not Glastonbury’s. I just think if she was sacking off Glastonbury because she wanted to tour Scandinavia she’d put a date on Glasto Saturday not Glasto Sunday. Thursday to Sunday makes it look to me like there’s another gig going in there.

Or she wants a couple of days off in a beautiful part of the world.

Sometimes gaps are just gaps.

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Can’t you make that argument about a few acts booked for this year? Sam Fender is playing pretty low when he could definitely demand higher. 

Cancelling on your Glastonbury slot because you want to headline is a pretty risky move if the festival doesn’t ask you back.

I guarantee discussions have already been had with her about headlining in the near future, most likely when she decided to not do this year. If she headlines Other off the back of Future Nostalgia this year she isn’t gonna get the call to headline the Pyramid next year or the year after with a new album out. It makes far more sense for her to skip this year.

[jparx]

3 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

Dua headlining Other this year is only gonna delay her inevitable climb to headlining the Pyramid. When she was booked in 2020, she was big, but it was still debatable just how big she could get. Now that she’s a certainty for a top spot in the very near future, it doesn’t make as much sense for her to take that other slot. Headlining next year or ‘24 imo (depending on what year Taylor ends up being rebooked, I reckon).

Tbh I could see them finally having two female headliners next year with Taylor and Dua, alongside Arctics.

[kingcrawler]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Can’t you make that argument about a few acts booked for this year? Sam Fender is playing pretty low when he could definitely demand higher. 

Cancelling on your Glastonbury slot because you want to headline is a pretty risky move if the festival doesn’t ask you back.

We have info from a reliable source that she was being lined up to headline in 2021 after 2020 was cancelled, presumably because Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish weren’t touring. If that’s the case, then you can see why the festival might have a loose agreement for her to headline on her next album (2023 or 2024), headlining the Other stage or even subbing the Pyramid this year wouldn’t necessarily make her more likely to headline anyway.

Sam Fender is playing low down but he also seems pretty keen to play everywhere he can. Dua Lipa is a bit different, I could be wrong but I think she’s only playing festivals that she’s headlining and her tour dates don’t exactly make it as easy to play Glastonbury as they could have. I wouldn’t be too surprised if she does play, it would be a great booking if they still have her, but it’s definitely not nailed on yet.

[Somto Unigwe Raphael]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Can’t you make that argument about a few acts booked for this year? Sam Fender is playing pretty low when he could definitely demand higher. 

Cancelling on your Glastonbury slot because you want to headline is a pretty risky move if the festival doesn’t ask you back.

Sam Fender is not close to headlining the Pyramid, or an inevitable headliner, despite what a lot of people on here recently would have you believe. In fact he’s further away from that than Dua Lipa was in 2020, so it’s a moot point.

1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

I guarantee discussions have already been had with her about headlining in the near future, most likely when she decided to not do this year. If she headlines Other off the back of Future Nostalgia this year she isn’t gonna get the call to headline the Pyramid next year or the year after with a new album out. It makes far more sense for her to skip this year.

In fairness I don’t think her headlining Other in 2022 and the Pyramid in 2024 would be out of the question. In fact the only way I can see her playing this year is if the 2023 headliners are locked in and she knows she has no chance of doing it, so 2024 becomes her earliest opportunity.

[Matt42]

2 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

I guarantee discussions have already been had with her about headlining in the near future, most likely when she decided to not do this year. If she headlines Other off the back of Future Nostalgia this year she isn’t gonna get the call to headline the Pyramid next year or the year after with a new album out. It makes far more sense for her to skip this year.

Dunno if I agree. If Taylor wants to do it in 2023 then Dua is going to have to wait until 2024 and beyond anyway. Surely it makes more sense for her to do it now. Take 2023 off, and then throw her hat in the ring for 2024 with a sparkling Other Stage where she has smashed it to prove she can handle el pointo. Push the can down the road too far and you may never get the call. Glastonbury could have all sorts of acts knocking at their door for 2024.

[Matt42]

4 minutes ago, Somto Unigwe Raphael said:

In fairness I don’t think her headlining Other in 2022 and the Pyramid in 2024 would be out of the question. In fact the only way I can see her playing this year is if the 2023 headliners are locked in and she knows she has no chance of doing it, so 2024 becomes her earliest opportunity.

Exactly. What is the difference between Stormzy subbing the other in 2017 and headlining the pyramid in 2019? Same as Billie playing third down on the other and headlining in 2022.

There is a bit of a precedent of emerging acts playing a big slot on the other and coming back to headline.

Edited February 20, 2022 by Matt42

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Exactly. What is the difference between Stormzy subbing the other in 2017 and headlining the pyramid in 2019? Same as Billie playing third down on the other and headlining in 2022.

There is a bit of a precedent of emerging acts playing a big slot on the other and coming back to headline.

The difference with Stormzy and Billie is that they were booked in those slots before they were guaranteed bonafide headliners and then they took off. Dua has already taken off since being booked to headline Other all that time ago and could literally headline the whole thing this year with very little push back given the circumstances. When she was suggested as a ‘21 headliner all that time ago a lot of us thought ‘yeah fair enough’, which is more than we could say for Stormzy at the time. 

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

The difference with Stormzy and Billie is that they were booked in those slots before they were guaranteed bonafide headliners and then they took off. Dua has already taken off since being booked to headline Other all that time ago and could literally headline the whole thing this year with very little push back given the circumstances. When she was suggested as a ‘21 headliner all that time ago a lot of us thought ‘yeah fair enough’, which is more than we could say for Stormzy at the time. 

I’m not completely ruling out your argument I just think the market is in a weird position right now. Lots of places are working with backlogs. If glasto said to Dua’s team that if she fulfilled her 2020 slot it would put her in the festivals good books I can imagine they’d do it. Headline Other in 2022 followed by pyramid in 2024 is a pretty fair agreement, especially if Emily is looking at ensuring the festival continues to book female headliners in the next few years.

[henry bear]

Look at her 2020 dates. Playing Europe April/May before her run of UK/Ireland shows in June leading up to Glasto.

Then look at her 2022 dates. There’s no lead up to Glasto. She’s only doing a maximum of 2 shows on the bounce. There’s been an extra Helsinki show added on the Friday, so if she did do Glasto it’d be 4 shows in a row.

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by henry bear