When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Can be stop with the "close away all the vulnerable as we restart life" rhetoric. As people have mentioned constantly it is not just about elderly people dying from the virus it is about long covid, the long-term health impacts of the virus. As well you don't have to be vunerable to get complications or long term pain or symptoms from covid. 

Also the art sector was completely decimated by Rishi Sunaks winter budget. - They only thing that will get theatres, film productions, sports, live music etc  open faster is getting the virus under control. 

 

also...it just isn't possible to close away the vulnerable, otherwise I'm sure some countries would have tried it.

[ace56blaa]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Tbf according to ONS only 5% of infections is traced back to eating out

do you have a link for this, not questioning your sources, just interested in the data myself

[zahidf]

Just now, ace56blaa said:

do you have a link for this, not questioning your sources, just interested in the data myself

 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Gilb said:

Well did infections surge into the stratosphere within 2/3 weeks after people started eating out again? No, I dont think so.
But many businesses were able to stay afloat and keep jobs open. Getting out relieved a lot of tension and mental stress for millions of people. I can't see what poeple are moaning about regarding this.

I realise its not trendy on here to give the government any credit for anything, but this one they got right even if the other 9,999 decisions they had to make may have been fkd up!

my point  being that its not helped them if it leads to them having to close again in the  shorter term with more lockdowns .... Ive no doubt that it has relieved some mental health issues .... but in the longer term they need to remain open to keep being able to carry on doing this . so if we need further lockdowns it won't have actually achieved huge amounts 

[ace56blaa]

4 minutes ago, Gilb said:

Well did infections surge into the stratosphere within 2/3 weeks after people started eating out again? No, I dont think so.
But many businesses were able to stay afloat and keep jobs open. Getting out relieved a lot of tension and mental stress for millions of people. I can't see what poeple are moaning about regarding this.

I realise its not trendy on here to give the government any credit for anything, but this one they got right even if the other 9,999 decisions they had to make may have been fkd up!

What do you mean cases started spiking again after the last couple of weeks of eat out to help out, where from people i know who work in pubs said it was the busiest the have ever worked, it also spiked before pupils returning to school could have had any affect. Obviously people are saying it's mostly community infections, but how many people went out to eat then had those same people back to their house after, or predrinks or afters, it deffo drove a "were back to normal" attitude and was advertised with that horrible photo op of Rishi Sunak serving food without a mask, no social distancing. 

Come on there is no way opening up these places didn't affect where we are now. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Gilb said:

Well did infections surge into the stratosphere within 2/3 weeks after people started eating out again? No, I dont think so.
But many businesses were able to stay afloat and keep jobs open. Getting out relieved a lot of tension and mental stress for millions of people. I can't see what poeple are moaning about regarding this.

I realise its not trendy on here to give the government any credit for anything, but this one they got right even if the other 9,999 decisions they had to make may have been fkd up!

yeah, decisions are based on economy and/or health at moment. In March the health red lights were flashing so we had a lockdown. In early summer the economy red lights were flashing so we tried to open up the economy as much as possible, persuade people to go shopping, eat out, go back to the office.

Now, all the red lights are flashing.

[ace56blaa]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Sorry do you have a link to the specific site-page or the whole document, i just want to read all the data of this for myself, so guessing this doesn't include home transmissions or community transmissions and also what does it mean by an outbreak? 

Like there have far more outbreaks at school recently but will normally be a couple of students then the rest isolating, whereas i've seen outbreaks at workplaces where a huge number of the staff test positive. 

Also how much does not having an efficient track and trace in place at that time come into affect, apparently a lot of places didn't even ask for details and then how many people got the virus from socializing but then the outbreak was reported elsewhere.

Like for example my housemate had 5 people test positive at his work because they had a party. Is that a workplace outbreak or a community outbreak?

Interesting how schools is the biggest amount on here, what was the breakdown before schools opened.
 

[Mr.Tease]

And rightly so!

[Guest]

From The Guardian:

Hospital admissions rise to highest levels since June

Daily hospital admissions in England are at their highest level in more than three months as coronavirus cases continue to rise, according to government data.

As of 9am on Friday, there had been a further 6,874 lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK, the highest single-day figure of recorded coronavirus cases and taking the overall number of cases to 423,236. It is the second consecutive day of the highest recorded case number.

[zahidf]

@Toilet Duck for his analysis

 

My reading is that this seems to show some pre-exisiting covid immunity?

 

[zahidf]

25 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Sorry do you have a link to the specific site-page or the whole document, i just want to read all the data of this for myself, so guessing this doesn't include home transmissions or community transmissions and also what does it mean by an outbreak? 

Like there have far more outbreaks at school recently but will normally be a couple of students then the rest isolating, whereas i've seen outbreaks at workplaces where a huge number of the staff test positive. 

Also how much does not having an efficient track and trace in place at that time come into affect, apparently a lot of places didn't even ask for details and then how many people got the virus from socializing but then the outbreak was reported elsewhere.

Like for example my housemate had 5 people test positive at his work because they had a party. Is that a workplace outbreak or a community outbreak?

Interesting how schools is the biggest amount on here, what was the breakdown before schools opened.
 

Sorry its from the ONS survey I believe. My mate sent it to me. Don't have a full link 

[zahidf]

Absolutely ridiculous 

[steviewevie]

Brazil has cancelled carnival for first time in 100 years.

[JoeyT]

2 hours ago, DeanoL said:

Firstly, lockdown is not a "punishment" - it's an attempt to contain a deadly disease so it doesn't overwhelm the NHS and cause people to start dying in the streets. Even viewing it from the mindset that "lockdown=punishment" is a bad way to start thinking about things.

Secondly there's no evidence I've seen to show that rules compliance is higher in these areas, to support the argument that anyone has "done well" - it seems just as likely that different working and social patterns, different density of population and so on have led to fewer cases in this area. And also, y'know, it's a virus that spreads fairly randomly, and it could just be luck. If it's not the latter, we could do with figuring out what it is that has kept figures down in that area.

Lastly, the virus is not eradicated in these areas. Or even suppressed. It's still increasing. It's not increasing as much as in some other areas, but numbers are still going up. Without further intervention, numbers will continue to go up. So some sort of more aggressive lockdown will be needed at some point, even in areas that "doing well". It's easier to it on a nationwide level, as it makes things easier to police, and easier to message on

Punishment was probably the wrong word but its certainly unjustified in areas where by the governments own measures are no where near a level required for a local lockdown.

In regards to areas I'd say it was fairly obvious why outbreaks are geographically where they are - population density. We don't have as many major cities down south and things are fairly spread out. 

I'm not sure you can call it "luck" that the South West was consistently at the bottom of confirmed cases during the first wave and is at the bottom of the one we are currently in now.

I can understand the reasons it is perhaps easier to police nationally but at the same time surely you can see why it's frustrating for those who live in the areas with low rates currently to be staring down the barrel of a national lockdown?

[SheffJeff]

48 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Sorry do you have a link to the specific site-page or the whole document, i just want to read all the data of this for myself, so guessing this doesn't include home transmissions or community transmissions and also what does it mean by an outbreak? 

Like there have far more outbreaks at school recently but will normally be a couple of students then the rest isolating, whereas i've seen outbreaks at workplaces where a huge number of the staff test positive. 

Also how much does not having an efficient track and trace in place at that time come into affect, apparently a lot of places didn't even ask for details and then how many people got the virus from socializing but then the outbreak was reported elsewhere.

Like for example my housemate had 5 people test positive at his work because they had a party. Is that a workplace outbreak or a community outbreak?

Interesting how schools is the biggest amount on here, what was the breakdown before schools opened.
 

The only reference to this pie chart I can find appears to be from the morning advertiser website which claims to be the pub trade bible so is no doubt biased. In fact I think the data may have been compiled by pub company bosses but its not clear.

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2020/09/21/Will-there-be-a-second-lockdown-for-pubs

 

[Mr.Tease]

13 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Punishment was probably the wrong word but its certainly unjustified in areas where by the governments own measures are no where near a level required for a local lockdown.

In regards to areas I'd say it was fairly obvious why outbreaks are geographically where they are - population density. We don't have as many major cities down south and things are fairly spread out. 

I'm not sure you can call it "luck" that the South West was consistently at the bottom of confirmed cases during the first wave and is at the bottom of the one we are currently in now.

I can understand the reasons it is perhaps easier to police nationally but at the same time surely you can see why it's frustrating for those who live in the areas with low rates currently to be staring down the barrel of a national lockdown?

It's frustrating, but sometimes it's worth making sacrifices to help other people- you'll help save tens of thousands of lives just by staying in a bit more, it's not very often in life you get to make such a difference.

[steviewevie]

 

[philipsteak]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

im getting a transfer to booths up your way just so I can hear the noises  

All the old people round here, it's almost like we've got the ghosts in place too

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 

Students have been so shafted from the exams fiasco to this, a complete lack of thought about them or regard, a complete failure with regards to the university's duty of care towards them, overseen by a government that doesn't give a s*** about them- what an awful way to treat people

[shoptildrop]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-manchester-metropolitan-university-halls-19000596.amp?__twitter_impression=true

All MMU halls in quarantine 

[JoeyT]

Don't have a clue what this means but good I think?

 

[FestivalJamie]

10 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Students have been so shafted from the exams fiasco to this, a complete lack of thought about them or regard, a complete failure with regards to the university's duty of care towards them, overseen by a government that doesn't give a s*** about them- what an awful way to treat people

I’m so scared to go now

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, FestivalJamie said:

I’m so scared to go now

When do you go ? 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I’m so scared to go now

You'll be fine.

 

I think I should go into motivational speaking?

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You'll be fine.

 

I think I should go into motivational speaking?

Presumably why you fall in love with the kier speeches