When will this shit end?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dark Star said:

Are there any within the Conservative Party? I thought those with spines and the ability to think were removed before the last election? Four more years of these idiots. Good luck to us all.

This time in 4 years PM Keir Starmer will be congratulating President Elect Kamala Harris on her win 😉

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Dark Star said:

Are there any within the Conservative Party? I thought those with spines and the ability to think were removed before the last election? Four more years of these idiots. Good luck to us all.

yeah, true. It's fuckin depressing.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

This time in 4 years PM Keir Starmer will be congratulating President Elect Kamala Harris on her win 😉

I admire your optimism...but I reckon Boris Johnson's govt will win another election and republicans will be back in office (won't be trump though).

[zahidf]

Yup

 

[Guest]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I admire your optimism...but I reckon Boris Johnson's govt will win another election and republicans will be back in office (won't be trump though).

Absolutely no way will Boris Johnson be PM past 2021 let alone 2025.

[Mr.Tease]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we can be self sufficient, like the good old days.

 

Right, what shall we eat?

Cox’s apples

[Toilet Duck]

48 minutes ago, zahidf said:

EU vaccine procurement doesn't sound good

 

Think this is more a case of Germany being pissed off about German technology being used in other countries while still not being available in Germany yet! The EU has advance purchase orders for around 2bn doses (from pretty much the same portfolio as the UK...Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax, CureVac, Oxford/AZ, Jannsen, GSK/Sanofi)...I think it's sour grapes over GSK/Sanofi getting a big order! (and it looks like that one will be delayed...but more than enough in the other orders...860m of the ones that are pretty much ready to go, over a billion if J&J get the nod in the New Year)...but BioNTech have just started to manufacture in Germany as well (and are aiming for 750m+ doses next year), so I suspect Germany are looking for additional ones of an effective, approved vaccine to be ordered from them. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

Cox’s apples

still a thing .... overtaken by Gala and Braeburn in popularity these days 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Absolutely no way will Boris Johnson be PM past 2021 let alone 2025.

tenner?

If vaccines prove as effective as people think and things improve, the economy will bounce back pretty quickly, and I expect Johnson's govt will enjoy a bounce in the polls. If he can survive this pandemic and brexit, he won't go anywhere.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Cox’s apples

I love cox.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Think this is more a case of Germany being pissed off about German technology being used in other countries while still not being available in Germany yet! The EU has advance purchase orders for around 2bn doses (from pretty much the same portfolio as the UK...Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax, CureVac, Oxford/AZ, Jannsen, GSK/Sanofi)...I think it's sour grapes over GSK/Sanofi getting a big order! (and it looks like that one will be delayed...but more than enough in the other orders...860m of the ones that are pretty much ready to go, over a billion if J&J get the nod in the New Year)...but BioNTech have just started to manufacture in Germany as well (and are aiming for 750m+ doses next year), so I suspect Germany are looking for additional ones of an effective, approved vaccine to be ordered from them. 

Reading the article though, it sounds like they haven't actually signed the contracts for moderna and Pfizer in time to get it until end of next year.... there were delays in getting the doses contracts firmed up. 

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

tenner?

If vaccines prove as effective as people think and things improve, the economy will bounce back pretty quickly, and I expect Johnson's govt will enjoy a bounce in the polls. If he can survive this pandemic and brexit, he won't go anywhere.

Yeah, £10 to charity?

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

tenner?

If vaccines prove as effective as people think and things improve, the economy will bounce back pretty quickly, and I expect Johnson's govt will enjoy a bounce in the polls. If he can survive this pandemic and brexit, he won't go anywhere.

Yeah.... I think if the vaccine roll out goes well then he will get credit.

 

[Toilet Duck]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Reading the article though, it sounds like they haven't actually signed the contracts for moderna and Pfizer in time to get it until end of next year.... there were delays in getting the doses contracts firmed up. 

 

 

 

 

Pfizer vaccine will be shipped in EU end of this year, as soon as it is approved basically, vaccinations due to start on December 27th. Think what's being discussed there are the extra 100m Pfizer doses they just negotiated (timetable for those has yet to be agreed though). But the initial 200m that were ordered will be delivered on time. They just doubled their Moderna order too, but as with the UK, Oxford/AZ will make a big dent in the numbers once it gets over the line. 

Edit: I should probably read the article mind you!

Edited December 20, 2020 by Toilet Duck

[Euphoricape]

Are we still expecting a full national lockdown in the next week or so..?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Euphoricape said:

Are we still expecting a full national lockdown in the next week or so..?

yep id say so ... 27th would be my guess 

[Euphoricape]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

yep id say so ... 27th would be my guess 

Sounds about right. Seems like they are gonna keep as much open as possible until they have no option but close everything. Try and get through Xmas and boxing day then shut it down.

[zahidf]

8 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Pfizer vaccine will be shipped in EU end of this year, as soon as it is approved basically, vaccinations due to start on December 27th. Think what's being discussed there are the extra 100m Pfizer doses they just negotiated (timetable for those has yet to be agreed though). But the initial 200m that were ordered will be delivered on time. They just doubled their Moderna order too, but as with the UK, Oxford/AZ will make a big dent in the numbers once it gets over the line. 

Edit: I should probably read the article mind you!

The article wasn't particularly complimentary about the Oxford vaccine. Seemed to hint it may not get approved in the EU

[Guest]

Remember if Johnson had listened to Starmer & the science we wouldn’t be in this position.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Remember if Johnson had listened to Starmer & the science we wouldn’t be in this position.

do you have a starmer mag under your mattress OZ ? 🙂 

[shoptildrop]

 

Apparently France stopping freight too and euro tunnel closed for at least 48hrs which is bad!!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

do you have a starmer mag under your mattress OZ ? 🙂 

Sir Keir and yes. 

[Toilet Duck]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The article wasn't particularly complimentary about the Oxford vaccine. Seemed to hint it may not get approved in the EU

It will, I really think this is a push to get more German vaccine ordered. Pretty much everyone turned down the doses offered by Pfizer in the summer as they were expensive (the uS did as well). Same with Moderna (most places outside the US only started agreeing to buy it once the phase 3 data looked good). The Oxford vaccine will be approved by the EMA, there's nothing wrong with the data (if they don't then there's nothing preventing national regulators from approving it under the same law that allowed the MHRA to approve the Pfizer one, and I'm pretty sure that's what would happen). 

[stuartbert two hats]

28 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

still a thing .... overtaken by Gala and Braeburn in popularity these days 

Gala are so bland. I love Cox and I don't care who knows it 😉

[stuartbert two hats]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I love cox.

Damn, you got there first.