When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

Newsnight now.

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Newsnight now.

Thanks Radio Times 😉

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, dotdash79 said:

I agree it’s bad in Manchester, but shutting down retail won’t happen. 

It absolutely shouldn't close. Non-essential retail is not a vector of transmission.

[steviewevie]

Lewis Goodall is hot!

[steviewevie]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Lewis Goodall is hot!

so is Linda Bauld...for balance.

[efcfanwirral]

50 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Are they going to stop fans singing though? I don’t know how they would stop it. 

Masks i guess - they'd be so spread out it wouldn't matter but for reassuring people just mask up. Can shout as much as they want then

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

so is Linda Bauld...for balance.

Maitlis ain't bad for her age either

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Seems to me that they should just extend furlough, but only for businesses that have been officially forced to close

Something along those lines makes a lot of sense to me.

4 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

I agree it’s bad in Manchester, but shutting down retail won’t happen. 

They need to do more. It worked when they shut down everything last time. Be it schools, universities, hospitality or other retail, I won't pretend to know, but what we're doing now isn't working.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon.

[Ozanne]

Looks like the hardcore Labour left aren’t happy this evening and calling for Starmer to resign. All because he didn’t demand Hancock resign, because that will win back voters demanding the Health Sec resigns in the middle of a pandemic 🤦‍♀️

[steviewevie]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Maitlis ain't bad for her age either

shame, the Liverpool Mayor bloke has kind of ruined it.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Looks like the hardcore Labour left aren’t happy this evening and calling for Starmer to resign. All because he didn’t demand Hancock resign, because that will win back voters demanding the Health Sec resigns in the middle of a pandemic 🤦‍♀️

yeah, Unite cutting funds...could get messy...Starmer probably won't mind.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Looks like the hardcore Labour left aren’t happy this evening and calling for Starmer to resign. All because he didn’t demand Hancock resign, because that will win back voters demanding the Health Sec resigns in the middle of a pandemic 🤦‍♀️

Do they think getting rid of Starmer would mean there’s a chance Corbyn would come back? The Labour gains would be wiped out instantly. 

[Ozanne]

 

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Do they think getting rid of Starmer would mean there’s a chance Corbyn would come back? The Labour gains would be wiped out instantly. 

I think they went Burgon, which if true is odd. They just seem to want someone that shouts at the government all the time, which doesn’t work. 
The more unhappy they are the better it will be for Starmer, as the voting public seem to go the complete opposite way. 

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, Unite cutting funds...could get messy...Starmer probably won't mind.

They could cut funds Len said, just a warning shot. Besides Lens moving on soon anyway. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

I think they went Burgon, which if true is odd. They just seem to want someone that shouts at the government all the time, which doesn’t work. 
The more unhappy they are the better it will be for Starmer, as the voting public seem to go the complete opposite way. 

From my experience of Labour leftists (I'm a member of the party but much more of the centrist/New Labour persuasion), they view the centre-left as being no different to right wingers. It's far left or nothing with them. They're not willing to be constructive and work together for the greater good. I actually left the party in the Corbyn years because we weren't even trying to win elections. Rejoined to vote for Nandy, but happy with Starmer as well. Just slightly preferred Lisa Nandy.

[Leyrulion]

20 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Something along those lines makes a lot of sense to me.

They need to do more. It worked when they shut down everything last time. Be it schools, universities, hospitality or other retail, I won't pretend to know, but what we're doing now isn't working.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon.

I'm not convinced it will work. People will not be as compliant as they were in the first lockdown, or like Leicester in the early days of reopening. 

 

[FestivalJamie]

Do we think the gov are actually gonna do anything about these exponentially rising cases then? Or just let the virus run.

To me it seems like they are gonna let it run, they wanted to make it seem like they were going to do something with the rule of 6 and 10pm curfew and they keep saying wait to see the effect of these measures and local lockdown. Yet the cases keep rising as the lockdowns aren’t really lockdowns are they.

I think they’re done making any more efforts. Unless the hospitals get overwhelmed before there’s a vaccine we could be seeing 400/600 deaths a day and they won’t do anything. I think they’ve reached the extent of their intervention now to control this.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, Leyrulion said:

I'm not convinced it will work. People will not be as compliant as they were in the first lockdown, or like Leicester in the early days of reopening. 

 

Work like last time? Probably not. But we still need to slow it down. Manchester city in particular is bonkers.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, Leyrulion said:

I'm not convinced it will work. People will not be as compliant as they were in the first lockdown, or like Leicester in the early days of reopening. 

 

British Public are just done with this Virus, no one follows the rules anymore and it’s just a disaster. I just expect cases to keep going up now as so many people have given up caring it really upsets me

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, FestivalJamie said:

Do we think the gov are actually gonna do anything about these exponentially rising cases then? Or just let the virus run.

To me it seems like they are gonna let it run, they wanted to make it seem like they were going to do something with the rule of 6 and 10pm curfew and they keep saying wait to see the effect of these measures and local lockdown. Yet the cases keep rising as the lockdowns aren’t really lockdowns are they.

I think they’re done making any more efforts. Unless the hospitals get overwhelmed before there’s a vaccine we could be seeing 400/600 deaths a day and they won’t do anything. I think they’ve reached the extent of their intervention now to control this.

I think they'll do something. Perhaps not as much as you or I would like, but even this lot won't leave Manchester to its runaway growth.

[FestivalJamie]

3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I think they'll do something. Perhaps not as much as you or I would like, but even this lot won't leave Manchester to its runaway growth.

Is it just Manchester which is this bad. How are the rates in places like blackpool and Sheffield and nottingham too?

[Crazyfool01]

It needs to have something for educational establishments ... but I very much doubt anything will change there .... we will see . Don’t forget to get that Christmas shopping in ... 

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Work like last time? Probably not. But we still need to slow it down. Manchester city in particular is bonkers.

Pretty mental that they've been on a household visiting ban for well over 2 months now (and household visiting was only ever reintroduced for about 4 weeks after lockdown before it got banned there) and yet the virus is spiraling out of control. Mind you I've got mates up in Manchester (or Wuhanchester as I saw it nicknamed on social media earlier) and they've all been meeting up for pub crawls every Saturday afternoon recently so I'm not sure indoor household mixing bans really prevent anyone from socialising.

[SheffJeff]

I quite liked the 'We've gone from eat out to help out to drink up and pissoff' soundbite on newsnight.

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Is it just Manchester which is this bad. How are the rates in places like blackpool and Sheffield and nottingham too?

 

7 day cases per 100k

 

Manchester 647

Nottingham 456

Sheffield 380

Blackpool 201

 

Nottingham in particular has gone completely through the roof since last weekend, so I think it's a big student cluster there