When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

Hopefully we send these out if it turns out it isn't needed for the non vulnerable- otherwise all this variant fear will just come true because we're having 3 while vulnerable people in poorer countries are having zero 

Oh I get u absolutely ... and yes let’s get the rest of the world sorted and prevent the variants otherwise this just seems to roll on and on 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I think we need to help India but NEVER at the expense of the needs of the UK.  If we need boosters I want to make sure the UK government has what it needs.  

India is a rich company besieged by political mismanagement and corruption.  The concept the UK and other countries can wave a magic wand and correct that just isn't baked in reality. 

It's not a company anymore I'm afraid.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I think we need to help India but NEVER at the expense of the needs of the UK.  If we need boosters I want to make sure the UK government has what it needs.  

India is a rich company besieged by political mismanagement and corruption.  The concept the UK and other countries can wave a magic wand and correct that just isn't baked in reality. 

We also have mismanagement and corruption here !! 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I think we need to help India but NEVER at the expense of the needs of the UK.  If we need boosters I want to make sure the UK government has what it needs.  

India is a rich company besieged by political mismanagement and corruption.  The concept the UK and other countries can wave a magic wand and correct that just isn't baked in reality. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Absolutely!  and its why come 17th May you will be able to go sit in a pub and restaurant.  

Having a drink whilst bodies pile up in India. Cheers!

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Having a drink whilst bodies pile up in India. Cheers!

Indeed. I have friends from India who I care about more than some scrotes in the UK. I would much rather someone gets protection from their first dose and helps bring the infection rate down in a country having severe issues than someone in England not having to wait a few extra weeks for their second dose.

[stuie]

50 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Hancock’s defence of Boris incoming at today’s briefing 

Nah... he just shut down Kuensberg and Chris Smith! Maybe he knows he can’t defend the indefensible. 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

They aren't linked...  and your a two face troll if you want to pretend you won't be doing any different or enjoying your new won freedoms thanks to us getting the vaccine procurement right.

I would delay the vaccine rollout and end of restrictions here if meant places like India getting more vaccines now.

(queue the virtual signalling accusation bile from the thread tossers).

[Guest]

In my mind we should provide countries that are clearly struggling with vaccine doses given we are in a better position. Other countries helped us out when we needed it so I feel it’s only right we do the same. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 

This won’t go down well for them, it looks pretty bad to just avoid difficult questions. 

[BobWillis2]

6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Indeed. I have friends from India who I care about more than some scrotes in the UK. I would much rather someone gets protection from their first dose and helps bring the infection rate down in a country having severe issues than someone in England not having to wait a few extra weeks for their second dose.

Have you cancelled your appointment and told them to send your dose to India? 

[efcfanwirral]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I would delay the vaccine rollout and end of restrictions here if meant places like India getting more vaccines now.

(queue the virtual signalling accusation bile from the thread tossers).

There could be a level when it's not an either or situation unless we're going for zero covid. Under 30s so rarely end up in hospital with it 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't believe you.  I think you are saying what is popular rather than the reality.  See you at the pub you two faced troll 🙂 

I'd rather not you horrible fishy c**t.

[Hannibal Schmitt]

Here is the already mentioned full interview of German Virologist Guru Christian Drosten (Charite Berlin) about India:

On the basis of the very small database available, it can be concluded that the mutant is not the only cause of the violent wave of infections in the country, "it is more of a mixed virus population," said the scientist from the Charité in Berlin in the "Coronavirus Update" podcast from Tuesday evening.

In India, from Drosten's point of view, several effects are currently coming together: According to a study, herd immunity was far from being achieved there. A population is now being infected that is already beginning to lose a bit of the initial immunity from the previous waves, said the virologist. At the same time, variant B.1.617 is a little more widespread and more robust against immunity. In the technical jargon one speaks of Immunescape (immune escape). This property is slightly pronounced in B.1.617. Even in comparison with other variants, this is "nothing that really worries you".

At the moment he thinks variant B.1.617 is "overrated in the media evaluation," said Drosten. There is also no evidence that people became more seriously ill because of them. "If a lot of people are infected at the same time, then in the younger age groups, too, you can see, in absolute terms, a lot of sick people in a short time window." In India, the general health of the population is also less good than in Germany, for example, which somewhat offsets the effect of the younger population. Drosten made it clear, however, that the situation can change: "It may be that in two months it will turn out that something is wrong with this virus." Salzburger Nachrichten/SN

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, Hannibal Schmitt said:

Here is the already mentioned full interview of German Virologist Guru Christian Drosten (Charite Berlin) about India:

On the basis of the very small database available, it can be concluded that the mutant is not the only cause of the violent wave of infections in the country, "it is more of a mixed virus population," said the scientist from the Charité in Berlin in the "Coronavirus Update" podcast from Tuesday evening.

In India, from Drosten's point of view, several effects are currently coming together: According to a study, herd immunity was far from being achieved there. A population is now being infected that is already beginning to lose a bit of the initial immunity from the previous waves, said the virologist. At the same time, variant B.1.617 is a little more widespread and more robust against immunity. In the technical jargon one speaks of Immunescape (immune escape). This property is slightly pronounced in B.1.617. Even in comparison with other variants, this is "nothing that really worries you".

At the moment he thinks variant B.1.617 is "overrated in the media evaluation," said Drosten. There is also no evidence that people became more seriously ill because of them. "If a lot of people are infected at the same time, then in the younger age groups, too, you can see, in absolute terms, a lot of sick people in a short time window." In India, the general health of the population is also less good than in Germany, for example, which somewhat offsets the effect of the younger population. Drosten made it clear, however, that the situation can change: "It may be that in two months it will turn out that something is wrong with this virus." Salzburger Nachrichten/SN

Sense and no fear mongering  - especially the bit in bold. 

[Guest]

 

[Crazyfool01]

Whats the covid situation like in Brazil now ? have they topped the curve yet ? 

[stuie]

Sure, it would be nice to give vaccines to India but with their population of 1.5 billion, us giving a few million doses isn’t going to make much difference. 

[stuartbert two hats]

11 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Have you cancelled your appointment and told them to send your dose to India? 

Have you cancelled your dose and told them to send it to someone else in England?

[steviewevie]

Just now, stuie said:

Sure, it would be nice to give vaccines to India but with their population of 1.5 billion, us giving a few million doses isn’t going to make much difference. 

Well, might save a few million lives?

They manufacture them at Serum institute or whatever it's called, right? And I think they have been rolling it out to the elderly...but they're seeing youger people dying of it and it varies in different states and regions. Problem is this serum place was supposed to be supplying vaccines for covax, so it hurts that rollout too.

In the end, there are a certain amount of vaccines, and they are mostly going into arms in rich countries at moment.

[steviewevie]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I guess what you meant was you want them to send other peoples vaccines to India but not your own 🙂  but you sit on your white horse of morality 🙂 

god is watching

[BobWillis2]

3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Have you cancelled your dose and told them to send it to someone else in England?

Yes actually. I could have had mine months ago through work but would rather wait until it’s my turn as a lot more people need it before I do. 

Where do we draw the line with regards to other countries needing them more than us? Plenty of countries are still a lot more vulnerable to an outbreak than we are, should we have stopped at the over 50’s until all other countries had at the very least vaccinated their most vulnerable? 
 

I see the situation as a decompression scenario on an aeroplane (without trying to be insensitive with lack of oxygen connotations) you should put on your own mask before you help others. 
The sooner we vaccinated everyone in this country the sooner we can pour much larger resources into helping other countries in need, rather than using watering cans to try and put out wildfires. 
 

 

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Yes actually. I could have had mine months ago through work but would rather wait until it’s my turn as a lot more people need it before I do. 

Where do we draw the line with regards to other countries needing them more than us? Plenty of countries are still a lot more vulnerable to an outbreak than we are, should we have stopped at the over 50’s until all other countries had at the very least vaccinated their most vulnerable? 
 

I see the situation as a decompression scenario on an aeroplane (without trying to be insensitive with lack of oxygen connotations) you should put on your own mask before you help others. 
The sooner we vaccinated everyone in this country the sooner we can pour much larger resources into helping other countries in need, rather than using watering cans to try and put out wildfires. 
 

 

arent they a country that has major manufacturing capability ? so its important to keep this going at full capacity isnt it ? 

[eFestivals]

On 3/23/2020 at 10:04 AM, Ted Dansons Wig said:

They're not paid to be working without adequate protection, which is what NHS staff are currently being asked to do.

Sounds pretty frontline to me

There is no adequate protection NHS staff are well supplied with ppe and the amount of waste plastic being created is extreme