Don't vote Tory

[Spindles]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Speculators over-inflated the economy via a false economy - but that false economy also spilled out of the banking arena and into all of our lives to create the prosperity we had before the crash - a false and unaffordable prosperity for all of us.

For some of us, maybe, not for all of us.  Those who were least in receipt of this prosperity are the ones who have been hit the hardest.  I cannot fathom why anyone would support the policies we have been subjected to.

 

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, Spindles said:

For some of us, maybe, not for all of us.  Those who were least in receipt of this prosperity are the ones who have been hit the hardest.  

It's utterly impossible for you to accurately say you've had none of it, just as it would be for me to say you have. We can both only guess at it.

What we do know is that the economy *WAS* falsely inflated, and that everyone was interacting with that falsely inflated economy.

So, for example, a low paid job you might have had might have been there only because of that false economic activity, whereas without that false activity you might have had no job at all.

The bankers over-inflated in the economy and made us all feel poorer. McD's money printing plan could well do the same; whether it does or not is wholely dependent on how fast and much he prints, and what exactly that money is used for.

BUT ... the movement of resources from one area of economic activity to another (such as house building) *will* make us all feel poorer anyway - unless every single one of those house building jobs is not a job diverted from doing something else (which either means importing new people to do those building jobs, or getting everyone fully-employed [but many of those under-employed don't actually want to be fully employed, which is a problem that will be hit]).

 

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I cannot fathom why anyone would support the policies we have been subjected to.

that's an entirely different thing (and nothing I'm suggesting should be supported anyway).

It would have been better if the false economic activity of the bankers had never existed - BUT: that means we'd all be poorer anyway. There wouldn't have been the growth in the early noughties that there was.

 

 

Edited June 7, 2017 by eFestivals

[Monkismo]

If anything is going to win Labour this election, it's those who have never voted before or who have never really had a purpose in their vote i.e. The "young" and the uninformed. Social media makes information a lot easier to digest than it did when i first cast a vote in 2001 and as a long time fence sitting lib dem (I was brought up in a reasonably well off Southern middle class family but married into a council house dwelling working class Northern family) I'm fully on board with Jezza this time round and casting my first ever Labour vote, in what is one of the safest Labour seats in the country. I'll admit that I wasn't overly disappointed when the Tories won the last one, because it didn't really affect me personally, but enough is enough - there's more at stake now thanks to the last seven years of shite, even though I run a very small company that can't afford to pay 33% extra wages when the min rises to £10. The fact that May is a hideous witch incapable of responding with any form of meaningful answer is just the icing on the cake for my decision. I just don't know how anyone who is not selfish or priveledged can vote for them!

 

edit: I can only hope there's more people like me but who are voting in marginal seats. My "bubble" suggests that may be the case but my bubble said Clinton would win and that we'd easily remain in the EU.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Monkismo

[5co77ie]

Less than 48 hours until reality bites.

[dimus]

[oneeye]

[Mr.Tease]

4 hours ago, 5co77ie said:

Less than 48 hours until reality bites.

I'm really going to struggle come friday- I do get very down and depressed over politics

[Spindles]

Don't get depressed.  There's always humour..

 

[Guest]

Latest YouGov poll now showing a 7 point Tory lead. ComRes a 10 point lead.

[EasyUserName]

14 hours ago, arcade fireman said:

I think the worst possible result would be an increased Tory majority but only by about 10 seats. That will probably mean Corbyn stays despite doing worse than Miliband last time and despite Labour needing to pull a lot of voters from the Tories to stand a chance next time. 

At least a larger Tory majority than that would mean Labour were a bit more unified going forward.

That said, would much much prefer the Tories losing their majority over either of these. 

 

I don't know, wouldn't that be bad for May internally? I'd expect the loonies in her party she expected to slap down would be happy with such a result. Cue chaos for us all though.

[EasyUserName]

13 hours ago, devonhammer said:

... If you invest a million pounds in more nurses, you get at least a third straight back in direct taxation. Of the remainder, most will be spent on taxable goods at 20%, so lets say you get another 10% back. Everything that is spent goes to companies with employees and you get corporate tax and more personal tax. Because this multiplier keeps going, you get most of the money back at worst and  typically more than you invest.

 

 

Average nurse salary is around £24,000 (sorry, no citation). As I see it, tax calculators say the direct tax payable is around £4,500. That's not one third. Your additional 10% is based on £600,000 of spending. That is, said nurses spent £600,000 on VAT qualifying items to give you that £100,000 (10%).  That's only 30 nurses based on average ...

 

In fact, my head hurts here.  Could you give me a more detailed breakdown because I feel like I'm watching that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa has invented the perpetual motion machine (no offense to your argument, I just don't "get it").

https://m.youtube.com/?gl=GB&hl=en-GB#/watch?v=gOMibx876A4

 

[Teddington]

The Social Care policy has still lost my vote.  Can't hand on heart vote for a party with this policy.

 

As a final parting point on this election the slogan "for the many not the few" makes me giggle.

 

If Tory policies were only for the "few" then why are they ahead in the opinion polls? 

 

Nevermind I guess the slogan  "for the few as opposed to the majority" wouldn't have the same ring.........

 

 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, Teddington said:

The Social Care policy has still lost my vote.  Can't hand on heart vote for a party with this policy.

 

As a final parting point on this election the slogan "for the many not the few" makes me giggle.

 

If Tory policies were only for the "few" then why are they ahead in the opinion polls? 

 

Nevermind I guess the slogan  "for the few as opposed to the majority" wouldn't have the same ring.........

 

 

Because people believe that one day, they will be one of the few.

[EasyUserName]

2 minutes ago, Teddington said:

The Social Care policy has still lost my vote.  Can't hand on heart vote for a party with this policy. ...

 

It's an interesting argument though - who really pays for those last year's of care? It's far from cheap.

[EasyUserName]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Because people believe that one day, they will be one of the few.

Sadly so, I fear.

[stuartbert two hats]

It's been nice debating with you all in here. I have just one thing to say before signing off until polling day:

Don't vote Tory.

[august1]

 

[Mattty]

Can't sleep. Worried about the tories.

[EasyUserName]

9 minutes ago, Mattty said:

Can't sleep. Worried about the tories.

Count sheep (subsidised ones maybe ....) 

[Dyceloon]

Well im in Scotland so youd be lucky to hit a torry here with a fecking meteorite .

Whatever you think or decide ..just vote .You have a right that is still denied to many on this planet .

Even if you take you ballot paper and do  a lovely caracture of the grumpy woman in tweed with the plastic ruler who smells of talc ...

 

VOTE !

[EasyUserName]

9 minutes ago, Dyceloon said:

... Even if you take you ballot paper and do  a lovely caracture of the grumpy woman in tweed with the plastic ruler who smells of talc ...

 

VOTE !

Nicola isn't *that* grumpy ... (Well, she does seem to be... )

[blackred]

Vote, vote, vote people. Even if it's for the Torys, vote for whatever you believe in - it's the single most important right you have (at least it will be in 5 years time).

Look on the bright side everyone, with the rate Theresa May u-turns I expect we will be in the euro and schengen by this time next year! (Not sure that would be great either, but you know - better than the alternative)

[Dyceloon]

2 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

Nicola isn't *that* grumpy ... (Well, she does seem to be... )

Hey that girls smartend up. Was a time you couldnt tell her from Alex Salmond ,,,wait a minute they are never seen in the same room....

[EasyUserName]

1 minute ago, blackred said:

Vote, vote, vote people. Even if it's for the Torys, vote for whatever you believe in - it's the single most important right you have (at least it will be in 5 years time).

Look on the bright side everyone, with the rate Theresa May u-turns I expect we will be in the euro and schengen by this time next year! (Not sure that would be great either, but you know - better than the alternative)

It's weird - I grew up with the concept of a fine if you didn't vote. I'm not sure it's the answer as unless to its own weird behaviour , but it certainly forced people out.

[EasyUserName]

6 minutes ago, Dyceloon said:

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Hey, as an off-topic ... Your avitar and Aberdeen? Nice, they shou!d form a political party!