ogriff Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 13 hours ago, Woffy said: Rees Mogg probably looks down on Cicero - who was more than capable of being a pompous, priggish c**t himself - as having been a novus homo. I wrote my dissertation on Cicero half a lifetime ago. This comment tickled me greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, ogriff said: I wrote my dissertation on Cicero half a lifetime ago. This comment tickled me greatly. Did it conclude with: "On the whole; good lad was Cicero. At the end he literally stuck his neck out"? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Lawn Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 On 12/2/2016 at 11:24 PM, russycarps said: Yes of course he is. But I'd still love to go out for a pint with him. I'd just chat to him about history and avoid politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Quite brave to lead with that on his leaflet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRLY Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Lay off Mogg, he's the PM this country needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, CHRLY said: Lay off Mogg, he's the PM this country needs. He needs a crack with a cricket bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, dentalplan said: Quite brave to lead with that on his leaflet. he's got my vote, and i don't even live in Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, CHRLY said: Lay off Mogg, he's the PM this country needs. Yep, a Mogg-Portillo dream team is what's required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said: I thought that house was owned by a charitable trust, who raised the money via public donations to save it from demolition? Isn't the government preserving buildings like that a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Lawn Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, russycarps said: I thought that house was owned by a charitable trust, who raised the money via public donations to save it from demolition? Isn't the government preserving buildings like that a good thing? All I'm hearing here is "I love the Tories so much". I'm shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chawk Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, russycarps said: I thought that house was owned by a charitable trust, who raised the money via public donations to save it from demolition? Isn't the government preserving buildings like that a good thing? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08809187/officers Eh, seems like it could be dodgy. The directors include 'CAVENDISH, Peregrine Andrew Morny, The Duke Of Devonshire Kc Vo Cbe Dl' and 'NAYLOR LEYLAND, Philip Vyvian, Sir' collectively worth £1 billion +. I hope my Nan turned her heating off for a couple nights and sent them a tenner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 02/12/2016 at 0:41 PM, Zac Quinn said: Bit like yer man Nigel Farage the other day saying he feels unsafe in the volatile political atmosphere he's primarily responsible for. If Fray didn't make music for imbeciles he wouldn't have to play gigs to imbeciles. No sympathy. Agreed. Liam Fray has moulded himself on Liam Gallagher. Its all about the swagger, acting like billy big bollocks and songs that are yelled rather than sung. Its inevitable that it would attract bell ends. Also having read these articles I was myself going to draw the comparison with UKIP. I've just read the courteeners wiki page. Apparently whilst unsigned they were approached by "producer Stephen Street of Blur, The Smiths..fame" they then signed to a major record label (Polydor) and released a debut album which got to number 4 in the album charts. They've subsequently had a stack of charting singles and albums. All of this begs the question; what machine are they raging against? They are very firmly part of the (music industry) establishment yet here he is whining about how everybody is out to get him. Just like anti-establishment ex-investment banker Nigel or Billionaire Donald Trump. And just like UKIP they're successfully spinning this 'us vs them' motif to legions of bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically. And if they're mad that they get the odd 1 star review in the guardian then they need to listen to themselves. They're hardly reinventing the wheel. Its tedious pub rock. They're a poor mans chumbawamba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, mattiloy said: Agreed. Liam Fray has moulded himself on Liam Gallagher. Its all about the swagger, acting like billy big bollocks and songs that are yelled rather than sung. Its inevitable that it would attract bell ends. Also having read these articles I was myself going to draw the comparison with UKIP. I've just read the courteeners wiki page. Apparently whilst unsigned they were approached by "producer Stephen Street of Blur, The Smiths..fame" they then signed to a major record label (Polydor) and released a debut album which got to number 4 in the album charts. They've subsequently had a stack of charting singles and albums. All of this begs the question; what machine are they raging against? They are very firmly part of the (music industry) establishment yet here he is whining about how everybody is out to get him. Just like anti-establishment ex-investment banker Nigel or Billionaire Donald Trump. And just like UKIP they're successfully spinning this 'us vs them' motif to legions of bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically. And if they're mad that they get the odd 1 star review in the guardian then they need to listen to themselves. They're hardly reinventing the wheel. Its tedious pub rock. They're a poor mans chumbawamba. If you don't think there's any 'us vs. them' going on then you should read your post again dude. They're not speaking out against the music industry, they're speaking out against the sort of people that brand their fans "bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically". So thread, now we have people in concurrence that a band should be open to be attacked because they play music that appeals to working class people, can we agree that there's some pretty strong classism in the derision of this band and other bands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 hours ago, dentalplan said: If you don't think there's any 'us vs. them' going on then you should read your post again dude. They're not speaking out against the music industry, they're speaking out against the sort of people that brand their fans "bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically". So thread, now we have people in concurrence that a band should be open to be attacked because they play music that appeals to working class people, can we agree that there's some pretty strong classism in the derision of this band and other bands? Pipe down in the cheap seats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 13 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said: All I'm hearing here is "I love two Tories so much". I'm shocked. Fixed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 12 hours ago, Chawk said: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08809187/officers Eh, seems like it could be dodgy. The directors include 'CAVENDISH, Peregrine Andrew Morny, The Duke Of Devonshire Kc Vo Cbe Dl' and 'NAYLOR LEYLAND, Philip Vyvian, Sir' collectively worth £1 billion +. I hope my Nan turned her heating off for a couple nights and sent them a tenner. I dunno, I'd never heard of the place until last night.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, dentalplan said: If you don't think there's any 'us vs. them' going on then you should read your post again dude. They're not speaking out against the music industry, they're speaking out against the sort of people that brand their fans "bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically". So thread, now we have people in concurrence that a band should be open to be attacked because they play music that appeals to working class people, can we agree that there's some pretty strong classism in the derision of this band and other bands? hang on, dont we mock coldplay and mumford and sons fans for exactly the same thing? And they are all poshos. Edited December 5, 2016 by russycarps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EamerRed Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, mattiloy said: Agreed. Liam Fray has moulded himself on Liam Gallagher. Its all about the swagger, acting like billy big bollocks and songs that are yelled rather than sung. Its inevitable that it would attract bell ends. I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. He's the son of two English teachers, and was on course for a degree before the band took over. He's obviously pretty well read and anyone without an agenda accepts he's at least a decent lyricist. In interviews he's pretty damn humble. Does any of this sound like LG to you? He's also a much better singer though that's not hard to do. 'Tedious pub rock' - Why is it this band get all of the criticisms which can easily be applied to 99% of other bands, yet which aren't? I suspect dentalplan's point has something to do with it. Edited December 5, 2016 by EamerRed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 It's not just The Courteeners that get labelled tedious pub rock, though - it's only happening here because this is a thread about the Courteeners. I don't know the first thing about the bloke, but if he's as middle class as your post implies then that would signify a lot of the criticism of his music not being driven by class prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EamerRed Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: It's not just The Courteeners that get labelled tedious pub rock, though - it's only happening here because this is a thread about the Courteeners. I don't know the first thing about the bloke, but if he's as middle class as your post implies then that would signify a lot of the criticism of his music not being driven by class prejudice. I'm not sure if what I said makes someone middle class. I have a degree and a decent job and I'm absolutely not middle class . I agree on your first point, I should have made myself clearer. I wasn't sticking to that one criticism, it can be any, it just seems that this one seems to be thrown at this band a hell of a lot more than how other criticisms might be applied to other bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Inasmuch as the typical class boundaries still meaning anything any more, the son of two teachers generally wouldn't be considered to have been born working class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 pete doherty and his fans used to get slagged off for the same reasons and he is well posh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt - Ed Banger Records Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think it gets thrown at them more because a lot of their fans try to paint them as a band that are well above that status, being a tedious pub rock band is fine, it serves a purpose and people enjoy it - Kasabian get the same treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EamerRed Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 35 minutes ago, Matt - Ed Banger Records said: I think it gets thrown at them more because a lot of their fans try to paint them as a band that are well above that status, being a tedious pub rock band is fine, it serves a purpose and people enjoy it - Kasabian get the same treatment I love the band, but I thoroughly agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 11 hours ago, dentalplan said: If you don't think there's any 'us vs. them' going on then you should read your post again dude. They're not speaking out against the music industry, they're speaking out against the sort of people that brand their fans "bandwagon jumping imbeciles with a lack of any ability to think critically". So thread, now we have people in concurrence that a band should be open to be attacked because they play music that appeals to working class people, can we agree that there's some pretty strong classism in the derision of this band and other bands? Class is not relevant to this discussion. I'm from one of the most traditionally working class towns in the North West and in my experience socio-economic background has nothing to do with it. The Courteeners fans I know are simply not really into music. They are into the image. The Courteeners appropriate an image of swagger and bravado. Reading their lyrics they look like they could have been written by any stroppy adolescent 'lad'. Their audience is an inevitable consequence of what they do and if they get bottled by stroppy adolescent lads then..... Why has David Guetta never been bottled off stage? If you go to any working class town in the North on a Saturday night you'll find most clubs blaring out David Guetta on a weekend, his gigs surely have plenty of people from lower socio economic backgrounds at them. Whats the difference? With the musical universe available at the click of a button then your outdated notion of 'class' is not sufficient excuse to accept whatever rubbish gets put in front of you unless you have no capacity for any kind of free thought whatsoever. If you're into music, you'll seek it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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