Heather90 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I am a little against this as I would hope that everyone would feel welcomed and safe at the festival. Also how about trans-men? If this space is needed at Glastonbury then a huge education opportunity is being missed. I learned so much in the greenfield etc. by talking to people so hugely different to myself. It broadened my mind so much and I really feel this could be a way to learn more in a respectful manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Amazing_Oblong Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I'm still kinda hoping this is a little in joke or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willsnewman Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Quoted wrong. Bare with. Edited June 3, 2016 by willsnewman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryclaireyfairy Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 49 minutes ago, Rumblestripe said: I haven't complained but I don't know what "Philippa's Van" is. I feel disenfranchised. Follow the link if you dare... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said: Equality is all well and good provided you're operating on a level playing field to begin with, unfortunately our society isn't I know why these things exist, but was a little sad to think that Glastonbury is somewhere it also needs to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willsnewman Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Spindles said: This is Shangri-la. I suspect that that is rather the point. Corrupting the message is what they do there. And in that case I get it, but I don't think the media/some people are seeing it that way... 5 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said: Equality is all well and good provided you're operating on a level playing field to begin with, unfortunately our society isn't Yes but I don't think the correct way to counter it is by doing the same thing but the opposite way. "Two wrongs don't make a right" blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, dentalplan said: I know why these things exist, but was a little sad to think that Glastonbury is somewhere it also needs to exist. Perhaps it only "needs" to exist in the sense that Glastonbury is a microcosm of society as whole and by creating the space it sends a message that they continue to be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshuwarr Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Sounds fab. Just a shame I'll be missing out on the riot grrrl music but I'll cope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 15 minutes ago, zico martin said: what is the point then, seriously? Is Male and Female really an acceptable way to categorise people these days? How do discrimitary areas like this affect transgender people? It's quite clear that it's open to anyone self-identifying as a woman. So trans-women but technically not trans-men. Also presumably not anyone who identifies outside of a binary gender but that's a whole other can of worms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLittleFish Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I'm a bloke who has donated to feminist causes amongst others before as I personally want any successes in my life to be based on hard work as opposed to my gender, age, race etc. and I think it's important to have stuff like this. I've never seen many problems with Glasto before and always think it's a very inclusive event, slightly peeved that I might be missing out on something if there's live music and DJs. It just doesn't quite feel in the Glasto spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryclaireyfairy Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, dentalplan said: I know why these things exist, but was a little sad to think that Glastonbury is somewhere it also needs to exist. It doesn't *need* to exist at the festival, however the festival is a great place for exchanging ideas and gaining motivation (see: Leftfield). Therefore it exists. That's how I'm taking it anyway. I'll be having a wander in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, OneLittleFish said: slightly peeved that I might be missing out on something if there's live music and DJs. It just doesn't quite feel in the Glasto spirit. While I agree, NYC Downlow chargers a charity donation for the mustache, Underground Piano Bar has a random door policy, Bread & Roses reserve the right to remove you if you're not drinking their booze, etc. It's not the only place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtaylor1 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, rikkirascal said: What's the opposite to a Sausage Fest? Clam Fest? This. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLittleFish Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DeanoL said: While I agree, NYC Downlow chargers a charity donation for the mustache, Underground Piano Bar has a random door policy, Bread & Roses reserve the right to remove you if you're not drinking their booze, etc. It's not the only place. I'd have loved to see a venue that heavily promotes feminist/trans causes within Shangri-La, much as the same way that the Greenpeace fields operate. Anyone's welcome to wander in and find out more about the issues on the subject and to educate themselves. Have live music, have the likes of 50/50 Government and other causes there in a very visible sense alongside the entertainment. I love the spirit behind the idea, I'm not sure about the execution of it. There's a misconception (and a really stupid one) amongst some people that feminism equates to anti-male. It's nothing of the sort and the more people that are exposed to the truth the better IMO. I don't have a huge problem with the charity donation for a mustache as it's not for profit but goes to a good cause but I think Glasto should be there for everyone. Edited June 3, 2016 by OneLittleFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I can understand the need for places like this in our society where there is a lack of education and tolerance towards many minority groups as a place to seek support etc. However, at a festival which celebrates individuality, eccentricity, alternative views and ways we could live our lives differently etc. (this list could go on and on) why create an area which is not accessible to all? Seems a bit against the grain to me. Would it not be better to create a space at the festival accessible to all in which to educate many more people (not just women or those who identify themselves as female) on the issues that our society faces in regards to gender inequality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**claire** Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 "They will also be able to attend workshops on intersectionality, diversity and inclusion and DIY power tools workshops with carpenter Rhi Jean." This sounds a bit dangerous after a few drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, OneLittleFish said: I'd have loved to see a venue that heavily promotes feminist/trans causes within Shangri-La, much as the same way that the Greenpeace fields operate. Anyone's welcome to wander in and find out more about the issues on the subject and to educate themselves. Have live music, have the likes of 50/50 Government and other causes there in a very visible sense alongside the entertainment. I love the spirit behind the idea, I'm not sure about the execution of it. Because as soon as PJ Harvey takes to the stage for her secret set it'll be full of nothing but those white cis men that they have these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbird81 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, OneLittleFish said: I'd have loved to see a venue that heavily promotes feminist/trans causes within Shangri-La, much as the same way that the Greenpeace fields operate. Anyone's welcome to wander in and find out more about the issues on the subject and to educate themselves. Have live music, have the likes of 50/50 Government and other causes there in a very visible sense alongside the entertainment. I love the spirit behind the idea, I'm not sure about the execution of it. There's a misconception (and a really stupid one) amongst some people that feminism equates to anti-male. It's nothing of the sort and the more people that are exposed to the truth the better IMO. I don't have a huge problem with the charity donation for a mustache as it's not for profit but goes to a good cause but I think Glasto should be there for everyone. I think the point of this is exactly to spur this kind of discussion. People naturally feel put out by being specifically excluded, so it's inviting you to think about spaces/areas that women may be (explicitly/implicitly/figuratively) excluded from in everyday life. Think it's working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLittleFish Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just now, Pbird81 said: I think the point of this is exactly to spur this kind of discussion. People naturally feel put out by being specifically excluded, so it's inviting you to think about spaces/areas that women may be (explicitly/implicitly/figuratively) excluded from in everyday life. Think it's working But I do already? Information is the antidote to ignorance - I just don't think this is the way to spread information best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Glasto Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pbird81 said: I think the point of this is exactly to spur this kind of discussion. People naturally feel put out by being specifically excluded, so it's inviting you to think about spaces/areas that women may be (explicitly/implicitly/figuratively) excluded from in everyday life. Think it's working Really like this response Whilst I'm against exclusive areas of Glastonbury (posted about this just today in another thread), I think this is a great, visible, discussion starter about an issue that is becoming increasingly (not decreasingly as some people seem to think) prevalent in today's society. And gender inequality still exists at Glastonbury, just as it does everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 From the official site: THE SISTERHOOD Every Media Hell needs a healthy does of Separatism to get the blood boiling! Strictly No Men Allowed. Reject the patriarchy. Join the Sisterhood. Party on. http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/areas/shangri-la/shangri-hells-occupied-corporate-headquarters/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willsnewman Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Brave Sir Robin said: From the official site: THE SISTERHOOD Every Media Hell needs a healthy does of Separatism to get the blood boiling! Strictly No Men Allowed. Reject the patriarchy. Join the Sisterhood. Party on. http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/areas/shangri-la/shangri-hells-occupied-corporate-headquarters/ So it is a classic Shangri-La number. Which is good. It seems it is being reported by the media as entirely serious however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, OneLittleFish said: But I do already? So it's not aimed at you. 4 minutes ago, willsnewman said: So it is a classic Shangri-La number. Which is good. It seems it is being reported by the media as entirely serious however... Reading the blurb in the NME story and looking at their Twitter feed, I think it is serious, yes. Quote Explaining the aims of the space, the venue's organisers said: "The producers of The Sisterhood believe that women only spaces are necessary in a world that is still run by and designed to benefit mainly men. Oppression against women continues in various manifestations around the world today, in different cultural contexts. "In the UK, the gender pay gap in the workplace, cuts to domestic violence services and sex worker rights are current talking points that highlight this issue. Sisterhood seeks to provide a secret space for women to connect, network, share their stories, have fun and learn the best way to support each other in our global struggle to end oppression against women and all marginalised people, whilst showcasing the best and boldest female talent in the UK and beyond." Edited June 3, 2016 by CaledonianGonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willsnewman Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: So it's not aimed at you. Reading the blurb in the NME story and looking at their Twitter feed, I think it is serious, yes. I still feel like it could be a shangri-la spin on the way they're describing it. And people are gobbling it up? I don't know. It's an awkward one and it is a serious issue, but now I believe it is a just a SL twist on the issue. It's working as far as discussion is going, but if it was for real I wouldn't agree with the venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralGirl Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Doesn't the Shangri-La announcement also say don't believe all you see, hear or read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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