Political equality @ Glasto...

[pedmills]

Also...

 

Creative, artistic people are almost always left-wing/liberal.

I'd like to think it's because if you've got the imagination required to write a song or make a piece of art, then you can more easily imagine what its like to be unemployed, a minority, etc. 

 

So I expect you would struggle to find the people to create a right-wing shangri la. 

Edited July 10, 2015 by pedmills

[giantkatestacks]

Tis good this thread but it frightens me that the young don't understand that the right wing we have now (not the libertarians represented by Mr Turner etc) equal the complete loss of freedom for us all, the types of freedom that we all love about Glastonbury - which is why it isnt represented.

 

Plus Michael Eavis' own political views are well documented. 

 

If you don't like it then tbh don't come - I want to feel that I'm around like minded people, I want to feel at home.

[Bignews]

The only good Tory is a dead Tory.

bit harsh

[russycarps]

bit harsh

 

 

I've read that post 6 times now and still can't see what's harsh about it. 

[frostypaw]

I remember watching a thing where Billy Bragg took Boris Johnson to Glastonbury, and if i recall correctly, Boris^TM described it as a "capitalist paradise".

 

There is a small element of truth to that - it's full of profit-making individual stalls. If Glastonbury really wanted to represent socialism, it could provide its own food stalls etc.

I think that's a bit of the capitalist fallacy though - they need to sully everyone else with their dirt and suggest the other option is black/white conformism and bland monotony.

There's nothing non-socialist about making profit, but it should be done honestly and to fair value - not through manipulation of demand/desire to create imagined value. A socialist values a diamond for how hard and useful and beautiful it is, a capitalist for how much they can convince a blushing bride to make her betrothed pay for it.

The way that ardent capitalists can't see any difference is how they are so harmful. That gap between perception and reality drives deception and manipulation as a method to bring greater profit, regardless of the consequences to society

[theouterlimits]

Couple of interesting things to add, presented without comment

 

David Tredinnick MP - an advocate of homeopathy gave a talk at the Speakers' Forum this year. He's a Tory.

 

Steve Hilton (David Cameron's former spin doctor, the guy who pushed hard to "modernise" the tories) is a great Glastonbury fan and he wrote an article for right-leaning magazine The Spectator arguing why Glastonbury is a good model for society: http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts/arts-feature/9559432/glastonbury-is-a-model-for-radical-policy-reform-says-steve-hilton/

 

(I said presented without comment, but the comments on that article make me lose the will to live)

[Bignews]

I've read that post 6 times now and still can't see what's harsh about it. 

so you'd happily wish people dead, because their political views differ from yours? regardless of my political persuasion, thats a bit fucked up.

[eFestivals]

Couple of interesting things to add, presented without comment

 

David Tredinnick MP - an advocate of homeopathy gave a talk at the Speakers' Forum this year. He's a Tory.

 

Steve Hilton (David Cameron's former spin doctor, the guy who pushed hard to "modernise" the tories) is a great Glastonbury fan and he wrote an article for right-leaning magazine The Spectator arguing why Glastonbury is a good model for society: http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts/arts-feature/9559432/glastonbury-is-a-model-for-radical-policy-reform-says-steve-hilton/

 

(I said presented without comment, but the comments on that article make me lose the will to live)

 

and don't forget the tory mate of Chicken Dave's who died on-site in the bogs a few years ago.

 

There's plenty of tories who seem to love this supposed leftie nightmare.

[rubenz]

My mum sent me an glasto article from the telegraph I think it was and this also quoted the survey saying that 78% of festival goers voted tory. Do journalist not bother checking their facts nowadays as so many articles seem to be based on some bollocks they saw on twitter!

Apart from that it was quite a positive article which makes a charge

With regards to the op I don't imagine many right leaning people would be too keen to try and represent themselves at glasto tbh and certainly not up to the organisers to try and encourage them.

[fatyeti24]

I've read that post 6 times now and still can't see what's harsh about it.

Lavatories can have their uses too.

[Jakeyboy1986]

damn this thread, I just don't have enough upvotes.

Apologies for the newbness, how does up/down voting work? Did a search but can find anything.

[frostypaw]

Steve Hilton (David Cameron's former spin doctor, the guy who pushed hard to "modernise" the tories) is a great Glastonbury fan and he wrote an article for right-leaning magazine The Spectator arguing why Glastonbury is a good model for society: http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts/arts-feature/9559432/glastonbury-is-a-model-for-radical-policy-reform-says-steve-hilton/

 

(I said presented without comment, but the comments on that article make me lose the will to live)

jesus wept.

though that's also kinda the smoking gun for my whole "naive dreamers" view of the current tory party. Full of nice ideas and no concept of how their buddies will use them to screw the poor out of every penny

Edited July 10, 2015 by frostypaw

[eFestivals]

Apologies for the newbness, how does up/down voting work? Did a search but can find anything.

 

I'm guessing that you're using the mobile skin - which doesn't have the up/down voting bit against each post.

[russycarps]

so you'd happily wish people dead, because their political views differ from yours? regardless of my political persuasion, thats a bit fucked up.

 

 

I dont want them tortured to death or anything barbaric like that. Just vaporised would do. Nice and quick and clean. What's the problem?

[zahidf]

It's in the midlle of the countryside, UKIP/Blue Tory area. And it costs loads. I imagine there will be loads of tories about:-)

Edited July 10, 2015 by zahidf

[philipsteak]

I dont want them tortured to death or anything barbaric like that. Just vaporised would do. Nice and quick and clean. What's the problem?

Getting soft in your old age?

[jiffy]

 

The issues that a rightfield would promote just wouldn't get people fired up in a communal atmosphere:

 

"Lets kill foxes!"

"Lets give tax cuts to the richest members of society!"

"Lets cut the BBC's funding!"

"Lets cut tax credits for poor families!"

"Lets make it easier for companies to fire employees!"

"Lets purchase enough nuclear weapons to have the capacity to instantly kill millions of people!"

etc

It would sound ludicrous and no one would be interested.

 

Left-wing politics is about collective responsibility, right-wing politics is about personal responsibility. People at a festival are singing, shouting, clapping together with thousands of strangers. It's a communal, collective experience. I reckon everyone becomes a little more left-wing for those five days.

 

 

I think this better illustrates my point. I really enjoyed the idea of the CND peace sign and the like as collective, positive action.

 

I just perceived the Shangri-la sort of stuff as a bit hate-fuelling (I understand that there is actually a lot of hatred, just making observations) and divisive. In comparison, everywhere else in the festival is massively pro-diversity in all forms, and at least a tolerance of differing political opinion. 

 

The issues listed could be promoted, with the opposite message of course, and you'd get people from all over the political spectrum joining in. But to divide the crowd as red/blue/purple/yellow seemed to go against the overall message.

 

If that was the goal of Shangri-la then fair play, but for me it just didn't have that same atmosphere.

[pecks]

Shangri-La is for fun though, debate isn't their thing. They are deliberately OTT, or didn't you notice? 

[tom22]

Glad this provoked some debate anyway.

 

Politics would never put me off going to Glastonbury, it's far bigger than that, but interesting to see how narrow minded some people are about their views. 

[jiffy]

Tis good this thread but it frightens me that the young don't understand that the right wing we have now (not the libertarians represented by Mr Turner etc) equal the complete loss of freedom for us all, the types of freedom that we all love about Glastonbury - which is why it isnt represented.

 

Plus Michael Eavis' own political views are well documented. 

 

If you don't like it then tbh don't come - I want to feel that I'm around like minded people, I want to feel at home.

 

I agree, but is it a matter of left/right? What other voting option gives you the type of freedom experienced at Glastonbury?

 

Or is it a matter of the system as a whole needing massive overhauling?

[Winslow Leach]

Steve Hilton (David Cameron's former spin doctor, the guy who pushed hard to "modernise" the tories) is a great Glastonbury fan and he wrote an article for right-leaning magazine The Spectator arguing why Glastonbury is a good model for society: http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts/arts-feature/9559432/glastonbury-is-a-model-for-radical-policy-reform-says-steve-hilton/

 

Yes and ho!

[pecks]

Glad this provoked some debate anyway.

 

Politics would never put me off going to Glastonbury, it's far bigger than that, but interesting to see how narrow minded some people are about their views. 

 

who is being narrow minded? or are you just on a wind-up?

[jiffy]

Shangri-La is for fun though, debate isn't their thing. They are deliberately OTT, or didn't you notice? 

 

The whole thing is hahah! There is OTT more so than others, obviously, but IMO the responses shown here prove the message is no less serious..?

[grumpyhack]

Glastonbury is about caring and sharing and a concern for others.  If that's left-wing then I'm glad I'm a left-winger.

Are you seriously suggesting that the three major Glasto charities - Oxfam, Greenpeace and WaterAid are raving left-wing charities whose aims are completely in opposition to the right?  

Their job is in part to put pressure on the UK government, no matter what colour.

I'm sure many right-wingers would be quite comfortable with their aims and possibly even donate.  Even Cameron and his chums still want to maintain a foreign aid budget.

 

Mind you this raving left-wing song did get performed in the Croissant Neuf.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-n8ITk6UWM

 

It's message should haven been Pyramid.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Shangri-La is for fun though, debate isn't their thing. They are deliberately OTT, or didn't you notice?

This....

Ure really not getting Shangri-la if u felt it had a 'atmosphere' because of the political game.