Hangovers

[Sarahrobinson1238]

Milk thistle before you start drinking, before you go to bed and when you wake up. Stops any hangover in its tracks.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/3568094/The-best-hangover-remedies-tested.html

[kellly]

Milk thistle before you start drinking, before you go to bed and when you wake up. Stops any hangover in its tracks.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/3568094/The-best-hangover-remedies-tested.html

This! And milk off the milk wagon first thing in the morning....i do this when drinking and for hangovers normally anyway, haven't ever had a hangover at glastonbury but i still follow this routine with the milk thistle and morning milk

[Aragorn]

Milk Thistle is bloody good for the liver - start it a few weeks before and give your liver a treat, it may help your liver function when your caning it.

Coconut Water (not milk) is also pretty good for rehydrating and more importantly for the amount of Potassium in it - alcohol removes potassium from the body and its an essential mineral you need. It is very rehydrating - also has Vit C in it

[majormajormajor]

Milk thistle before you start drinking, before you go to bed and when you wake up. Stops any hangover in its tracks.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/3568094/The-best-hangover-remedies-tested.html

nonsense. milk thistle doesn't do anything for actual hangovers. nausea and headaches associated with hangover are caused by dehydration and lack of quality sleep and aren't remedied by potential help in the cell replacement in livers - which milk thistle might do if you take it long-term. milk thistle doesn't hydrate you, help you sleep or cause any pain relief associated with headaches.

something like 50% of scientific studies suggest it could be good for your liver. but only really if you're an alcoholic, quit drinking and subsequently need help with repairing liver cells/cirrhosis etc. ie. in that case you could consider taking it as it may help your liver recover from years of abuse.

i'd spend my money elsewhere for hangover cures, milk thistle along with all these wishy-washy 'health products' you find in holland & barrett are almost always a complete rip off.

Edited April 30, 2015 by majormajormajor

[kellly]

Milk Thistle is bloody good for the liver - start it a few weeks before and give your liver a treat, it may help your liver function when your caning it.

Coconut Water (not milk) is also pretty good for rehydrating and more importantly for the amount of Potassium in it - alcohol removes potassium from the body and its an essential mineral you need. It is very rehydrating - also has Vit C in it

Ooh forgot about coconut milk. Great stuff!

[Chazwozza]

A small double vodka at breakfast does it for me.

[Dave1.1]

I think I will be going the Bloody Mary route to beat my hangovers this year, anyone know where the best place to get one on site?

[frostypaw]

Milk Thistle is bloody good for the liver - start it a few weeks before and give your liver a treat, it may help your liver function when your caning it.

Coconut Water (not milk) is also pretty good for rehydrating and more importantly for the amount of Potassium in it - alcohol removes potassium from the body and its an essential mineral you need. It is very rehydrating - also has Vit C in it

This is all natural medicine nonsense...

None of it has been proven as better as easier and cheaper alternatives - the coconut water thing is hilariously middle class witch doctor madness, no better than a glass of dilute fruit juice and some salts - but it's 'pure'.... Like magics. Let's not consider all the extra transport and packaging and general environmental wastage. Anyone for Fiji water?

[Aragorn]

To be honest Frosty whether it is proven or not or placebo effect or whatever - Milk Thistle has always worked for me and Coconut Water has always rehydrated me and made me feel better

So nonsense or not it is whatever works for you and we are alll different

[majormajormajor]

To be honest Frosty whether it is proven or not or placebo effect or whatever - Milk Thistle has always worked for me and Coconut Water has always rehydrated me and made me feel better

So nonsense or not it is whatever works for you and we are alll different

just curious, how has milk thistle 'worked' for you?

also re: coconut water, i think you're associating 'refreshing' with 'rehydrating'. coconut water does taste lovely. but if you're dehydrated, it doesn't hydrate you as well as, say, an electrolyte drink. it doesn't have enough sodium for a proper 'rehydration drink'. it's outrageously expensive too. and if you're going down 'but the ads tell me it has potassium too!!!' route, then eat a banana. way more potassium, fibre, glucose. it will have a far more positive effect on hangover reduction than coconut water - potassium and glucose, which is what you need when you're down.

don't just believe what you're fed in the ads or what you read on the carton, they put that nonsense on there to dupe people and sell their overpriced products. read up on the actual science of it.

[Brave Sir Robin]

nonsense. milk thistle doesn't do anything for actual hangovers. nausea and headaches associated with hangover are caused by dehydration and lack of quality sleep and aren't remedied by potential help in the cell replacement in livers - which milk thistle might do if you take it long-term. milk thistle doesn't hydrate you, help you sleep or cause any pain relief associated with headaches.

something like 50% of scientific studies suggest it could be good for your liver. but only really if you're an alcoholic, quit drinking and subsequently need help with repairing liver cells/cirrhosis etc. ie. in that case you could consider taking it as it may help your liver recover from years of abuse.

Agree with the first para but not the second. There is some evidence of it helping with various liver (and kidney) issues, see eg http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/milk-thistle/evidence/hrb-20059806. I don't see why you wouldn't take it if you're putting your liver under heavy strain - and potentially developing some of those serious conditions - by drinking loads. Anyone got any evidence of it being harmful?

[kellly]

To be honest Frosty whether it is proven or not or placebo effect or whatever - Milk Thistle has always worked for me and Coconut Water has always rehydrated me and made me feel better

So nonsense or not it is whatever works for you and we are alll different

How very well put

[One Tonne Baby]

Always found that just getting up and getting on with it helps massively. A few years ago we had a crazy day/night and about an hours sleep and all my mates were lazing around camp and feeling sorry for themselves. I got up, walked down, got a growler (almost shit myself at the same time as eating it) and watched a blonde girl (Alice something) play on the other and i felt right as rain.

[eoJ]

Some safety notes for anyone taking 5-HTP.

Firstly, don't exceed 200mg per day at most, preferably stay at 150mg or lower. Don't think 'oh, you can buy it at Holland & Barrett, it must be fine'. Had a friend who thought that, I took 200 mg, they took 600. We came home pretty early, and the night was spent dealing with severe serotonin syndrome (1 symptom away from calling for an ambulance to get her on benzos). That said, used responsibly, and following the dosage levels, it is safe.

A multivitamin might be a good call too, just for the course of the festival.

Do you take it when you go to bed? I keep forgetting to buy it but am doing it this year!

I'd personally take ~50mg before bed, ~50mg in the morning (once you've taken MD for the last time for a couple of weeks, you should be fine exceeding the morning dose, the MD releasing all that serotonin is what causes SS).

Is this still wise if you're going to be doing more than just alcohol the next day as well? I've read that it's not a good idea to take it beforehand, only afterwards - tricky at a festival when the morning after is also the morning before!

Beforehand is certainly the risky way, but if you don't exceed the recommended dosage there's unlikely to be a problem.

so this 5HTP stuff are there any negative side effects?

I'm definitley considering it

Look up Serotonin Syndrome (preferably a table with mild, moderate & severe categorised - those will depend on how much MD you do and how much 5-HTP you take). If you're sensible, follow the recommended dosages, and don't have relevant pre-existing conditions/on antidepressants, then you should be fine. I've yet to personally experience any negative effects.

5-htp will help with a comedown, but won't do anything for a hangover, alcohol doesn't deplete serotonin (5-HP).

It metabolises directly into serotonin, which should make you feel happy, which in my experience, helps a bit with an alcohol hangover (although not as much as with an MD hangover)

Do 5-HTP help with the groggyness you get the day after taking MD or do they help with the lows you get a few days after dropping?

Should help with both. I'd take some from Monday-Wednesday after the festival to make sure your levels are replenished.

Really interested in testing 5-HTP. I suffer with awful anxiety and low mood swings the day(s) after both drinking and taking the naughty stuff so anything that can help this would be great!

Is it something I can take sporadically, i.e. if I took it the day after a heavy one would I feel any benefit, or would I need to have been regularly taking it beforehand to reap the benefits?

Serotonin is 5-HT, 5-HTP metabolises directly, and takes effect fairly quickly. Should be no problems taking sporadically, I do.

Great cheers for advice. Reading up online a bit more a few sources say it shouldn't be taken with alcohol and obviously at Glasto your basically pissed all the time so are there known interactions ? Can't imagine it being any more dangerous than mixing alcohol with drugs is, but curious as to whether mixing all 3 could be a bad idea?

Just alcohol and MD, shouldn't be a problem. Obviously be careful mixing with any medications.

E2a:

coconut water does taste lovely.

Have we been drinking the same thing? When I tried it, it tasted like mouldy semen

Edited May 2, 2015 by eoJ

[zero000]

Just cracked out some 5-HTP to deal with my hangover fear. Will report back later on how it works out.

[dixietheduck]

Coconut water (not sure I'll have any to hand at Glasto though)..5htp, and paracetamol.

At Glasto, the fresh air and the odd nap on the grass always helps. Aside from the lack of sleep, can't say I ever feel that terrible

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

My brother always advocates the Kronenbourg Manoeuvre when somebody is feeling ill the next day. It involves putting that somebody in to a life saving position, given their ailment. This is done by getting them to the nearest bar asap and ordering a Kronenbourg. This process is repeated until the patient feels well again. He guinea pigged this on himself and swears it to be faultless. I, for one, am forced to believe him seeing it's magical restorative properties.

[shoptildrop]

My brother always advocates the Kronenbourg Manoeuvre when somebody is feeling ill the next day. It involves putting that somebody in to a life saving position, given their ailment. This is done by getting them to the nearest bar asap and ordering a Kronenbourg. This process is repeated until the patient feels well again. He guinea pigged this on himself and swears it to be faultless. I, for one, am forced to believe him seeing it's magical restorative properties.

My better half swears by this rule too lol

[frostypaw]

To be honest Frosty whether it is proven or not or placebo effect or whatever - Milk Thistle has always worked for me and Coconut Water has always rehydrated me and made me feel better

So nonsense or not it is whatever works for you and we are alll different

Because it's bollocks and bollocks should be called out - lots of people swear homeopathy works, swear vaccines are poison, swear contrails are chemicals and cancer cures all a con

It's all bollocks. You might like it, you're free to do so, but doesn't make it true. If people are looking for help it's worth knowing the facts, then if you prefer coconut water to milk or fruit juice you can choose it without some pseudoscientific misinformation that one is superior to the other - it's not your fault you've been fed it, it's everywhere these days funding 'entrepreneurs' just worth extra digging and scepticism

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Because it's bollocks and bollocks should be called out - lots of people swear homeopathy works, swear vaccines are poison, swear contrails are chemicals and cancer cures all a con

It's all bollocks. You might like it, you're free to do so, but doesn't make it true. If people are looking for help it's worth knowing the facts, then if you prefer coconut water to milk or fruit juice you can choose it without some pseudoscientific misinformation that one is superior to the other - it's not your fault you've been fed it, it's everywhere these days funding 'entrepreneurs' just worth extra digging and scepticism

Wow. You are single handedly calling out a fair proportion of the medical profession, researchers, drug industry giants, and patients that have been known to have improved through the placebo effect? Can I just get this right - are you denying the existence of it and that statistics show that it has worked for some people?

[oldbird]

Don't get them!

[frostypaw]

Wow. You are single handedly calling out a fair proportion of the medical profession, researchers, drug industry giants, and patients that have been known to have improved through the placebo effect? Can I just get this right - are you denying the existence of it and that statistics show that it has worked for some people?

Que? I've not denied the placebo effect for a moment. Something has to transcend that point to be considered medicine unless we're going to count every bit of crystal waving, gong banging and snake oil rubbing as serious medicine - people campaigned to send homeopaths out to treat ebola... is that really helping? The world is drinking bottled water throwing countless tonnes of plastic into the environment because they imagine it's better for them.... it's worth knowing the difference

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Because it's bollocks and bollocks should be called out - lots of people swear homeopathy works, swear vaccines are poison, swear contrails are chemicals and cancer cures all a con

My apologies, as I've probably got it wrong (bit of a habit this weekend) but I didn't read the whole thread and just started towards the end bit. I saw the above and thought that it was an inclusive response to the post where Aragorn states the existence of the placebo effect.

[frostypaw]

My apologies, as I've probably got it wrong (bit of a habit this weekend) but I didn't read the whole thread and just started towards the end bit. I saw the above and thought that it was an inclusive response to the post where Aragorn states the existence of the placebo effect.

ach don't apologise it probably needed asking to keep things clear. folk's misunderstanding of the placebo effect is what they rely on for 'proof' - if you can get three relatable members of the public to vouch for you, preferably one with a adorable kid, then it's gotta be true!

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

if you can get three relatable members of the public to vouch for you, preferably one with a adorable kid, then it's gotta be true!

That's easy - I could easily get three members of my own family to tell you I was a c**t. The fact of the matter is that they'd be right, but for all the wrong reasons - which kind of makes them wrong technically speaking.

I've lost control now. Must dash.