General Election 2015

[LJS]

Yeah, everyone really hated Labour when their Scottish First Minister corrupted his official office to lobby for Murdoch at the height of the hacking scandal when even the tories had deserted Murdoch.

And Labour advocating giving the bankers totally free reign went way furtther than then tories ever did.

As for their exp3eenses fiddling, only the tories were worse than them.

That Labour party, unelectable they are. The Labour party shouldn't. do stuff like that. :

Good job they haven't then, eh? That's be the Murdoch-loving, banker-freeing, expense-fiddling SNP. Who knew?

You really are losing it, Neil.

Have a lie down. Dim the lights. Maybe a wee cup of cocoa. Then return when you feel up to a reasoned conversation.

[LJS]

Let me know when you start to feel used... So I can laugh at you...

You guys just love the idea Cameron may try & fuck us Scots over. I've got news for you. He'll fuck us all over.

Difference is, we have an escape plan. Apparently that'll leave you guys at the mercy of the Tories for all time.

Enjoy.

[pink_triangle]

Chill out, Neil.

I've not found much to laugh at today. According to you I should be cock-a-hoop as this is the best possible result for me.

As usual, you haven't a clue.

So a serious question. I think I'm right in saying that you wanted the huge snp win Scotland, without a tory majority in the UK. Do you think there's anything the snp could have done different in the campaign that would have led to the same amount of snp seats, but less tory ones.

[Amy Lawn]

I can't tell you how fucking devastated I am. I really believed in this one, I thought we'd have a proper socialist PM, who would establish a working coalition, and use the strength of combined parties to make this country a fairer place for its citizens. I believed the Greens would get more seats and make sure that the voices that FPTP tries to silence are given equal consideration in the running of their country. About a third of the vote gets more than half of the seats, that's not right, that's not a fair system at all.

All that's left here for me is to return to dry cynicism, Labour will lurch to the right, the Greens will remain a disproportionately small one-woman fringe of the commons, the Scots will rightly get sick of being held at arm's length in the union and try to build a better country on their own, perhaps I'll join them. This country is a monarchy, and the king is Rupert Murdoch. Tell 'em, Joe, tell 'em how your fictional sci-fi dystopia is less shit than our real world "democracy".

[kaosmark2]

Anyone who proclaims themselves a unionist who is laughing at the suffering Scots will endure is kidding themselves.

Don't let their nationalism feed your own. Empathy boys.

[viberunner]

I don't know what's made me happier... the amazing SNP sweep, or the fact it is making Neil weep.

But, in fairness, I can understand why he hates the Scots and their self-determination much... it saves him from having to think about why the English electorate pick the the Conservatives and UKIP.

UKIP only won a single seat, but they got approaching 4 million votes. The Liberal Democrats got 8 seats on 2.5 million votes.

There's also the issue of turnout. The UK-wide turnout was 66%, but it was 71% in Scotland (so it'll be even less than 66% in England).

[grumpyhack]

Al Murray has to have a pat on the back for helping keep Farage out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNzNw0rOPs

Edited May 8, 2015 by grumpyhack

[LJS]

I don't know what's made me happier... the amazing SNP sweep, or the fact it is making Neil weep.

But, in fairness, I can understand why he hates the Scots and their self-determination much... it saves him from having to think about why the English electorate pick the the Conservatives and UKIP.

UKIP only won a single seat, but they got approaching 4 million votes. The Liberal Democrats got 8 seats on 2.5 million votes.

There's also the issue of turnout. The UK-wide turnout was 66%, but it was 71% in Scotland (so it'll be even less than 66% in England).

Furthermore, the Tories got their lowest ever % of votes in Scotland & Ukip got a mighty 1.6% of the vote. But we are of course all fucking thatcherites.

[viberunner]

Furthermore, the Tories got their lowest ever % of votes in Scotland & Ukip got a mighty 1.6% of the vote. But we are of course all fucking thatcherites.

LOL... the Tories polled less in Scotland as UKIP did in England.

Six prominent parties standing (SNP, Labour, Conservative, LibDem, UKIP, Green) and the SNP get 50% of the entire vote. Outstanding stuff.

I am so freaking glad to have left England. (And I'm sure the feeling is mutual).

[TheGayTent]

I can't tell you how fucking devastated I am. I really believed in this one, I thought we'd have a proper socialist PM,

Really? Then I think you don't understand what socialism is.

[Matt42]

https://twitter.com/KevinPMeagher/status/596797362229682176

Kevin Meagher‏@KevinPMeagher

Jeremy Hunt confirms there will be legislation brought forward to legalise fox hunting again #newsnight

[TheGayTent]

Excellent news

[viberunner]

The manifesto did say they'd be a free vote on the issue.

With such a slim majority, and a bit of public pressure, there's a good chance it'll fail.

[TheGayTent]

With such a slim majority, and a bit of public pressure, there's a good chance it'll fail.

Agreed.

[eFestivals]

You really are losing it, Neil.

Have a lie down. Dim the lights. Maybe a wee cup of cocoa. Then return when you feel up to a reasoned conversation.

yep, to say the truth is a lie. Welcome to the world's newest one party state.

[eFestivals]

You guys just love the idea Cameron may try & fuck us Scots over. I've got news for you. He'll fuck us all over.

Difference is, we have an escape plan. Apparently that'll leave you guys at the mercy of the Tories for all time.

Enjoy.

I don't love the idea of him fucking anyone over. He'll certainly fuck us all over.

The difference is that you've voted yourself a mandate for him to fuck you over and your escape plan fucks you over no less.

Or did you not read what you were voting for?

[LJS]

So a serious question. I think I'm right in saying that you wanted the huge snp win Scotland, without a tory majority in the UK. Do you think there's anything the snp could have done different in the campaign that would have led to the same amount of snp seats, but less tory ones.

The honest answer is I don't know. Perhaps if they'd fought a more parochial Scottish campaign, & tried to keep a low profile south of the border?

However, I think being seen on the national stage probably boosted their vote on Scotland.

I don't think anything the SNP could have done (other than disbanding) would have stopped the scare mongering campaign from the Tories & the right wing press. I think the way Miliband handled that made him look weak & indecisive.

If Labour make the fatal mistake of blaming their defeat on the SNP, they will not have learnt anything.

[eFestivals]

the Scots will rightly get sick of being held at arm's length in the union and try to build a better country on their own, perhaps I'll join them. This country is a monarchy, and the king is Rupert Murdoch.

How have you missed the SNP being in Murdoch's pocket more-so than the tories?

If you think that puts them in the place to build anything better you've been had.

[eFestivals]

Anyone who proclaims themselves a unionist who is laughing at the suffering Scots will endure is kidding themselves.

Don't let their nationalism feed your own. Empathy boys.

I'm not laughing, I'm trying to get them to wake up to themselves.

They've voted Chicken Dave an absolute gift, and Christmas is coming.

It's probably already too late and Scotland has already set itself on the road to ruin, but it's definitely too late if they sit back thinking Scotland is safe in the SNP's hands.

[LJS]

I'm not laughing, I'm trying to get them to wake up to themselves.

They've voted Chicken Dave an absolute gift, and Christmas is coming.

It's probably already too late and Scotland has already set itself on the road to ruin, but it's definitely too late if they sit back thinking Scotland is safe in the SNP's hands.

Are you still blaming the SNP for Labour's defeat?

[eFestivals]

I don't know what's made me happier... the amazing SNP sweep, or the fact it is making Neil weep.

I ain't weeping, but if you get what you've voted for I guarantee you will be.

But, in fairness, I can understand why he hates the Scots and their self-determination much... it saves him from having to think about why the English electorate pick the the Conservatives and UKIP.

Using facts to point out the SNP's flaws now equals hatred of the Scots, but there's nothing nasty in SNP nationalism.

And I know exactly why the English electorate have picked who they have. I've spent the last three months telling you that's what they're like. I warned you that the SNP risked causing a tory win by their me-me-me-isms, but apparently, according to the most wise in Scotland, I was wrong and that was impossible and England wanted something more left-wing and not more right-wing.

UKIP only won a single seat, but they got approaching 4 million votes. The Liberal Democrats got 8 seats on 2.5 million votes.

with a lobby in Westminster of 1.5M Scots on his side to add to the 320+ tories, FPTP or PR will keep Rupert in power.

And unlike Westminster you can't vote Rupert away unless you vote the SNP away.

There's also the issue of turnout. The UK-wide turnout was 66%, but it was 71% in Scotland (so it'll be even less than 66% in England).

I know, I know, the issue of turnout is a bit embarrassing, what with the SNP losing support.

[eFestivals]

Are you still blaming the SNP for Labour's defeat?

Try asking yourself: do you think their influence stops at the border?

Or try asking yourself if the SNP could have played things differently and got the same Scottish result while creating a better result for Labour in England.

With people in England very clearly voting to not piss money up the wall as the SNP were demanding, might the SNP's demands that money was pissed up the wall have played a part?

Etc, etc, etc.

I don't solely 'blame' just the SNP, in fact I don't 'blame' anyone at all. I'm just saying it how it is, but the facts aren't allowed in Scotland it seems.

Meanwhile, are you still blaming Labour's defeat on them not being left enough? So show me the majority vote by the left.

[eFestivals]

I don't think anything the SNP could have done (other than disbanding) would have stopped the scare mongering campaign from the Tories & the right wing press. I think the way Miliband handled that made him look weak & indecisive.

Perhaps the SNP could have asked their boss if he'd stop it? But no, Rupert gets what he wants, always. He wanted the SNP and he's got the SNP - in his pocket as the emails prove.

And of course, Miliband would have won over the English electorate and looked strong if he'd have said "yes Nicola, I'd love to dangle on your string".

[LJS]

Try asking yourself: do you think their influence stops at the border?

Or try asking yourself if the SNP could have played things differently and got the same Scottish result while creating a better result for Labour in England.

With people in England very clearly voting to not piss money up the wall as the SNP were demanding, might the SNP's demands that money was pissed up the wall have played a part?

Etc, etc, etc.

I don't solely 'blame' just the SNP, in fact I don't 'blame' anyone at all. I'm just saying it how it is, but the facts aren't allowed in Scotland it seems.

Meanwhile, are you still blaming Labour's defeat on them not being left enough? So show me the majority vote by the left.

I think the Labour party are more likely to win when they are campaigning with passion for something they believe in. Look at there 6 pledges. Have you ever seen such vague & meaningless waffle? And, it gives me no pleasure to say it, because I did warm to him during the campaign, but Ed just came across as too geeky & crucially too false. All these looks at the camera , all the "what's your name?'...'that's a great question Neil' stuff that was so obviously coached into him. And I do think he looked indecisive over any potential deal with the SNP. The Tories fucked him over good & proper there.

As for the SNP, well I understood, the deal was that you presented your policies & campaigned for them. That's what they did which they now seem to be being blamed for. Maybe I'd misunderstood how the system works.

On a personal level, I am delighted that they have espoused these policies. I await with interest to see how many of them make it into their Holyrood manifesto next year.

[LJS]

Perhaps the SNP could have asked their boss if he'd stop it? But no, Rupert gets what he wants, always. He wanted the SNP and he's got the SNP - in his pocket as the emails prove.

And of course, Miliband would have won over the English electorate and looked strong if he'd have said "yes Nicola, I'd love to dangle on your string".

What e mails? Please tell me you are not still using the Salmond stuff to "prove" a current link? I know you wouldn't be that desperate so you must have something more recent.

Mustn't you?