The Dirty Independence Question

[brandycoke]

My end of poll announcement on facebook kind of sums things up for me

The polls have closed. This campaign has been for me an exhilarating time. But the campaign is over. I have removed my twibbon. unpinned my yes badge. unpeeled the yes sticker from my window. And in the morning I will remove the thing that says "I voted yes" not because I believe with any less passion than I did 5 minutes ago that Scotland should be independent, but because I am now back to being someone who lives in Scotland. However the result goes, I believe we should work together for a better Scotland. Many honest folk in the no campaign have made it clear that they too want change. Let's forget the yes & no & let's unite and try & make our astonishing wee country a better place.

Well said LJS.

[russycarps]

Well that was a fucking great anti-climax.

President of YouGov says '99% chance of no victory'. No idea how he can make those sorts of comments at the moment, but I doubt he'd make himself look a huge idiot on national TV. Or would he?

how the hell does he make a call like that? how has a no vote seemingly been so certain this past week?

I still think yes will win, based on nothing at all....

[metallimuse]

Ahh damn,Western Isles not due until 2.Was thinking of staying up for that but not Gunna bother now.

[Comfy Bean]

how the hell does he make a call like that? how has a no vote seemingly been so certain this past week?

I still think yes will win, based on nothing at all....

I had thought the game was up when I heard this but....... it is based on a sample of only 3000 I think ? Somebody could maybe confirm this as my nerves are shot and I`ve probably had too much to drink.

[ThomThomDrum]

Just read on twitter that Betfair are offering 14/1 on yes! Easy money Russy!!

[GlastoSimon]

how the hell does he make a call like that? how has a no vote seemingly been so certain this past week?

I still think yes will win, based on nothing at all....

No idea, but the aforementioned 3000 sample makes it seem less valid.

Shit would seriously go down if 'yes' did win, but my thoughts are along the same lines as you. Possibly because the yes vote has had much more support online, and when I went up to Scotland last month there was many more Yes campaigners around, didn't see a single No campaigner in Edinburgh, Glasgow or any of the surrounding areas.

The old 'uns may well clinch it for No, but then if the turnout for the 16-17 year olds is high then I wouldn't underestimate their influence.

[ThomThomDrum]

Just read this

YouGov bases prediction on responses of 1,828 people after they voted today, together with those of 800 people who had already voted by post

[GlastoSimon]

Just read this

YouGov bases prediction on responses of 1,828 people after they voted today, together with those of 800 people who had already voted by post

So even less than 3000?

If that's the case, the YouGov president must be fecking confident to have made an assertion like he did earlier.

[metallimuse]

BBC reporting that one of the staunch Labour areas seem to be saying they have gone against the party and voted yes.Didn't quite catch which constituency though.

[CHRLY]

Yougov fixed the vote

[Comfy Bean]

89% turnout in Edinburgh !!

Not good for YES but great effort.

[atomised]

It's way too tough to call either way. Plenty of confidence on Twitter for a yes

[ThomThomDrum]

The chatter about massive turnouts is unreal Some places said to be estimated about mid 90s! Wow! Can that be true?

[ThomThomDrum]

Meanwhile... YouGov predicting win for No at 54%...

You are a bit late Baz Thats what people are commenting on above!

Edit - thought u were off to bed?

Edited September 18, 2014 by ThomThomDrum

[kaosmark2]

As a European, A Brit, and an Englishman...

I am scared we are all about to take a massive step backwards... We should be moving together instead of moving apart...

Hoping I don't wake up to a broken and divided nation... It would be a huge mistake... I hope the "little" Scotlanders don't have their way...

Night all...

Well said Barry.

[russycarps]

Just read on twitter that Betfair are offering 14/1 on yes! Easy money Russy!!

fucking hell....my bet is looking pretty measly now

I'm still confused about how this is seen as a dead cert already.

[russycarps]

odds are 1/12 No, 11/2 for Yes on paddypower (who my bet is with). I got 4-1 a week or so ago (or was it 3? I cant figure out how to find out!)

This whole thing is twisting my melon

[TenInchToenaiIs]

Betfair Exchange is currently 11/1 yes, 1/12 no

[Comfy Bean]

The chatter about massive turnouts is unreal Some places said to be estimated about mid 90s! Wow! Can that be true?

Majority of postal votes look like being in the 90+% Great stuff as you say.

BBC just saying that in 2011 You Gov showed YES at 29%. If not tonight then soon !

[ThomThomDrum]

CNN put up a graphic of 58% Yes 52% No!!

Scots giving it 110%

[russycarps]

Majority of postal votes look like being in the 90+% Great stuff as you say.

BBC just saying that in 2011 You Gov showed YES at 29%. If not tonight then soon !

how soon is soon?

[GlastoSimon]

If the Scots don't vote for independence now, I don't think they ever will. Not in our lives, anyway.

[Comfy Bean]

how soon is soon?

I`m only guessing mate but 15 years makes sense. Think we would all need a rest for say a decade and then I suppose you would need to have an SNP majority up here to get it on. I take Barry`s point that it`s not ideal but when we get shafted over the powers ( you know I don`t agree with that last minute offer ) there will be major unrest....not just in Scotland. In short - lets just get it done tonight !

[GlastoSimon]

North Lanarkshire result apparently set for just over 45 minutes time

[russycarps]

I`m only guessing mate but 15 years makes sense. Think we would all need a rest for say a decade and then I suppose you would need to have an SNP majority up here to get it on. I take Barry`s point that it`s not ideal but when we get shafted over the powers ( you know I don`t agree with that last minute offer ) there will be major unrest....not just in Scotland. In short - lets just get it done tonight !

fair do's. Anyway, it's not over yet. I seem to be the only person here with any positivity left for the yes vote, and I'm a filthy london-dweller