UK Politics

[steviewevie]

cause I hate to be all capitialist doomer boomer but without growth then its going to be really difficult, and very easy to say put up tax, tax the rich etc (I actually think they should just put in the basic rate on income tax), but reality is it often doesn't get what you need, is often super unpopular with someone, and often has diverse affects like hitting growth or jobs or whatever. So then there's cuts, but I mean where? Interested in the 10 year plan that he's going to come up with, because I think the next few years are going to be a mess, but people need hope that there is some sort of plan and destination.

[steviewevie]

Maybe Cooper to health? Where's Wes Streeting? hopefully suffering loads of abuse in a Turkish prison I guess.

[sheffinghell]

Correct - confirmed

[sheffinghell]

McFadden stays in DWP

[xxialac]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

of course it is...and they will struggle to borrow more but they can have a go...but more likely tax rises, and welfare cuts.

 

I actually think they're f**ked, but maybe they'll work something out,

Presumably they will do some borrowing under the name of 'Defence Bonds' but which is just debt under a different name.

 

They are f**ked because they cannot raise income tax, national insurance or VAT. Those are the places you can get tax from!

[steviewevie]

Just now, xxialac said:

 

 

They are f**ked because they cannot raise income tax, national insurance or VAT. Those are the places you can get tax from!

Yeah this, frustrating. They really messed up with those promises, but then they were trying to win an election.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, sheffinghell said:

McFadden stays in DWP

Welfare reforms incoming.

[steviewevie]

No.10 now on bluesky. Very woke.

[xxialac]

Feels like given they are so hemmed in, the only way they can spend more now is if the economy grows.

 

I don't think anyone is predicting the economy will grow, therefore we are screwed.

 

 

[steviewevie]

Probably should have just kept Ed at Energy. Maybe he wants him out the way.

[lazyred]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah this, frustrating. They really messed up with those promises, but then they were trying to win an election.

Its easy to forget they weren't trusted at the last election and the vote share didn;' go up much despite the landslide of MP's

Anyway the dirty secret is we tax high incomes the same as other european countries and its the median/low incomes who are relatively under taxed. No one is putting that on an election leaflet

 

 

[sheffinghell]

It's a fake 🤣

[steviewevie]

Miatta Fahnbulleh is energy sec.

[sheffinghell]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Miatta Fahnbulleh is energy sec.

That's a very good appointment - about as good as you could get in place of Ed. 

Edited July 20 by sheffinghell

[Crazyfool01]

Dissapointed Lisa Nandy is still there … she doesn’t seem to have done much for media , culture or sport 

[steviewevie]

Angela Eagle is environment sec, Jonathan Reynolds is business sec. Some good appointments.

[steviewevie]

Rayner back in as Housing secretary 

[steviewevie]

What's left for Wesley?

[sheffinghell]

Deputy PM?

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Rayner back in as Housing secretary 

Gonna cause meltdown that … good 

[sheffinghell]

Wes in Defence

[steviewevie]

Burnham has announced they will cut VAT to 0& on household electricity bills. Is that good? Good for customers I guess.

[steviewevie]

Murderer of Ann Widdecombe is some lefty nutjob

[pink_triangle]

8 hours ago, sheffinghell said:

Wes in Defence

Seems a strange role for him as he is one of the best attack dogs Labour have, whoever the shadow health secretaries were they never laid a glove. There is often consensus about government and opposition about defence, however maybe defence spending will see more differences.

[pink_triangle]

9 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Dissapointed Lisa Nandy is still there … she doesn’t seem to have done much for media , culture or sport 

That seems to be harsh to me. What do you think someone can achieve in that job? I can’t remember many people who have had that role and have never got a strong feeling how successful they have been.