UK Politics

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3 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

All parties agree that young people matter and are the future so giving 16/17 year olds the vote should have happened years ago. Most are intelligent enough to know what to do voting wise though moist just won't bother.

Prisoners - life term should not get the vote and those convicted of any crimes that are deemed serious, like rape, adbuction and more should not but jailed for nit paying bills should be allowed to vote.

I wouldn't give prisoners the vote but I hope those not paying bills won't be in prison in the first place.

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23 hours ago, lost said:

 

 

Its difficult to make an argument it isn't politically motivated (and I've said I'm not sure the people who think it will benefit them will) without arguing everything should be dropped to 16.

I don’t argue that it’s politically motivated, so was conservatives brining in voter ID with minimal evidence of fraud. Why should only Torys be allowed to do politically motivated things.

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11 hours ago, cellar said:

If you're old enough to have a baby, surely you should be old enough to have a vote?

 

Should prisoners have a vote? 

 

Maybe the problem for both is that it's another demographic for the political parties to have to appeal to.

The trouble is people are able to make babies at different ages and I suspect a system based on puberty may be difficult to administer.

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11 hours ago, LJS said:

 

anyone else think it would be more appropriate ( & helpful) For Tony to say "well done Keir if you want my advice on anything just give me a bell?"

 

 

I would hope that labour do not get involved in conversation about “wokeism” whatever it means and focus on running the country.

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2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

The trouble is people are able to make babies at different ages and I suspect a system based on puberty may be difficult to administer.

I think the point I was trying to make is that if we say it's within the law for someone to bring life into the world (and our country), leaving the child subject to the laws of that country, then shouldn't they be allowed a say in who makes those laws?

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6 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

All parties agree that young people matter and are the future so giving 16/17 year olds the vote should have happened years ago. Most are intelligent enough to know what to do voting wise though moist just won't bother.

Prisoners - life term should not get the vote and those convicted of any crimes that are deemed serious, like rape, adbuction and more should not but jailed for nit paying bills should be allowed to vote.

 

Yeah I think this is my stance. I always tend to think of anyone in prison for drug offenses - theoretically, they could be in prison for something that a different leader might decriminalise, and so I think should be allowed a vote. But yeah more serious crimes, I think you do give up a lot of your rights, including voting.

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1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

https://www.ft.com/content/d1ef81ea-da25-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17

I wasn't clear enough. I know people go to prison for non payment but I don't think they should. Cherie Blair raised this  the other day especially for women. The new prisons minister, James Timpson, has said similar in the past. The prisons are full so its a good time to change the punishments.

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11 hours ago, steviewevie said:

People's Front Of Judea latest...

 

This is absolute bullshit. I was sad about Leanne Muhammed losing, but Jody McIntyre, and his and Galloways thugs deserve nothing. If the Greens had stood down and endorsed him I would be out campaigning against them in Bristol. Similarly James Giles.

 

I don't know details about the two other independents, but every person I know who voted Green was glad about Jess Phillips winning.

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12 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Purely replying cos I found it an interesting article and this links to it.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SheffJeff said:

 

Purely replying cos I found it an interesting article and this links to it.

 

 

Well they did tell you their no.1 priority was wealth creation - they just never said who they were creating it for.

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On 7/5/2024 at 3:16 PM, lazyred said:

True.  I'd be happy with the Scottish system perhaps with a recall mechanism to get rid of regional MPs. Either that or ranking individuals in a single seat

doesn't work as it relies on msp's marking their own work, and they worry they'll be next on trial. huge expenses fraud and no no recall.

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On 7/5/2024 at 12:45 PM, fraybentos1 said:

I'm not talking about their policy faults, I'm talking about you repeatedly saying they were never gonna win Bristol central and then they did

they said they'd win in Bristol at the last three elections, and they didn't, i was taking the piss outta their big lies,as a party they're bigger liars than farage

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4 hours ago, Neil said:

they said they'd win in Bristol at the last three elections, and they didn't, i was taking the piss outta their big lies,as a party they're bigger liars than farage

 

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5 hours ago, Neil said:

they said they'd win in Bristol at the last three elections, and they didn't

I don't think that can be described as lying 🤣

 

5 hours ago, Neil said:

as a party they're bigger liars than farage

hmmm, any proof or examples of this? or just plucking it out of thin air as you usually do?

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8 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Love how they call them 'wind farm pylons' to try and separate them from all the other pylons that already exist.

The headline is lovely and misleading as always and I am so please the Right Wing media is attacking the Greens - normally means they are worried by them. Anyone who wants to know more on it should read all the documents connected, of which there are loads, and not just this one.

shows the two sides of Green party...the nimbyism that helps them win in rural tory seats against the radical net zero policies that helps them win in places like Bristol.

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which is going to be a problem for labour in all those seats it has won too...yes to wind farms and solar farms and pylons and more houses...just not here thanks.