UK Politics

[Joey Peeps]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Disgraceful. Woke gone mad. etc.

Starmer says to change it back! Labour really are courting the gammon community as much as possible aren't they.

[steviewevie]

36 minutes ago, Joey Peeps said:

Starmer says to change it back! Labour really are courting the gammon community as much as possible aren't they.

 

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, Joey Peeps said:

Starmer says to change it back! Labour really are courting the gammon community as much as possible aren't they.

Is this a gammon thing?? If they changed the colours of the Welsh flag I would be disappointed.

[Nobody Interesting]

In the world people are starving to death.

Does a fecking flag on a shirt really matter?

No

[Crazyfool01]

I couldn’t give a sh*t … more tedious distractions from real life struggles 

[gizmoman]

37 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Is this a gammon thing?? If they changed the colours of the Welsh flag I would be disappointed.

Too late!

 

[Crazyfool01]

Oh and if possible the scum is a horrendous rag please avoid posting links to it if it can be at all avoided 

[Nobody Interesting]

22 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Too late!

 

Nowt wrong with anything that celebrates Pride

[steviewevie]

31 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Oh and if possible the scum is a horrendous rag please avoid posting links to it if it can be at all avoided 

CENSORSHIP!

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

CENSORSHIP!

Not one bit … just a personal request . The scum links are still up 

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

CENSORSHIP!

Any self respecting Labour supporter would understand fully why the request was made.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Any self respecting Labour supporter would understand fully why the request was made.

yeah, well I have no self respect.

[steviewevie]

but also...will The Sun back Labour and then they can say it's the sun wot won it? definitely looks like it's moving that way.

[Neil]

7 hours ago, Ozanne said:

 

that doctor line is a good one, an easy way for idiots to understand how a lawyer works.

[Neil]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

CENSORSHIP!

the mods do a special line in censorship, you'll never see this post. 😛 

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but also...will The Sun back Labour and then they can say it's the sun wot won it? definitely looks like it's moving that way.

think its more likely that the sun won't back labour, as it gets easier then for labour to implement murdoch-friendly policies. and as stuff around murdoch changes a lot  that might turn out to be important.

[Nobody Interesting]

Another great way to use Tax payers money.

 

Home Secretary James Cleverly used a private chartered flight to visit Rwanda at a cost of £165,561.53 to the taxpayer, government documents have revealed.

The latest transparency data from the Home Office showed Mr Cleverly took the flight in December last year as he headed to the capital Kigali to sign a new treaty with the African nation around the government's asylum seeker deportation plan.

According to the document, 14 people were on the plane, with the Guardian reporting they included members of his private office, a small team of civil servants, a photographer and a BBC TV crew.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Another great way to use Tax payers money.

 

Home Secretary James Cleverly used a private chartered flight to visit Rwanda at a cost of £165,561.53 to the taxpayer, government documents have revealed.

The latest transparency data from the Home Office showed Mr Cleverly took the flight in December last year as he headed to the capital Kigali to sign a new treaty with the African nation around the government's asylum seeker deportation plan.

According to the document, 14 people were on the plane, with the Guardian reporting they included members of his private office, a small team of civil servants, a photographer and a BBC TV crew.

if that makes tonight's tv news there should be some good footage to illustrate the piece with.

[steviewevie]

DISGRACEFUL pt2

[Nobody Interesting]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

DISGRACEFUL pt2

Will Starmer and Sunak contact Karrimor?

[kaosmark2]

32 minutes ago, Neil said:

the mods do a special line in censorship, you'll never see this post. 😛 

Neil, this isn't "censorship" to try and prevent criticism. It's to cut down on the endless personal arguments that have been plaguing the thread since COVID. 

We've been working together, with Iggy, to try and ensure the forum is a welcoming place for everyone. Our communication is about applying consistency between us and how we're all treating all users, not about a "cosy friends club" as you referred to it a couple of weeks ago.

You aren't the only regular on these forums that has had some degree of moderation applied to them over the past months, but we're trying to deal with each person individually and privately, and not discuss how other people get restricted.

We made a joint decision to try and get personal arguments off the forums. If people want to have them by DM that's fine, and that also means that anyone who finds any personal arguments too unpleasant can end them by blocking the other user.

However, arguments being constantly and repeatedly personal is off-putting to people outside that, and does shut down a wider discussion. This has always been the case, and you yourself used to call out ongoing personal conversations on this forum to say "this isn't about you". The politics threads aren't about who you dislike, they're a space to discuss politics. Threads like this inherently create arguments, and inherently get passionate, and we're not trying to stop that, but we want to make sure that it isn't so personal that others don't feel comfortable participating.

No moderation team, anywhere on the internet, gets things perfect, but I'm pleased with the shift that has been happening, and your complaints - whether public or private - so far seem like they're based on being upset that we're trying to keep fights off the public forums.

Once again, keeping threads on topic, and reducing the personal attacks isn't "censorship". The vast majority of your posts - and those of others who have been put on pre-moderation in recent months - have been approved. We're not shutting down anything because we don't agree with it, anything like that we're calling out ourselves, as other forum users, not as moderators.

Please make an effort to understand and respect, that what we're doing isn't personal, and isn't cliquey. Hopefully once we've finalised the forum/website rules and posted them that'll add further clarity, but until then, please take away the reminder that we're hiding personal attacks that don't help foster an inclusive discussion.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Will Starmer and Sunak contact Karrimor?

[Neil]

you missed the whooshing noise!

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

we're trying to keep fights off the public forums.

you're also sometimnes putting people on moderation for the use of facts, keeping the use of facts off these forums.

you know mew always in public cos the cliquey stuff is forum death.

Edited March 22 by Neil

[kaosmark2]

I'm going to respond to this one more, and this one only, because this is a thread about UK politics, not forum moderation. I just felt that given your accusations, it was important to address these things publicly:

13 minutes ago, Neil said:

you're also sometimnes putting people on moderation for the use of facts, keeping the use of facts off these forums.

you know mew always in public cos the cliquey stuff is forum death.

The "facts" you've complained about being hidden/moderated have been you calling another forum user something insulting. We're not hiding or restricting links to sources, to pieces of news, etc, we're hiding people throwing insults and accusations at each other.

And if you want to talk about cliquey things being forum death - way back ~2009 on these forums, you told me and others off for having a personal argument on these forums - saying that was just cliquey arguments and that these forums weren't about us. I respected that then, and I wish you'd respect that now. Bringing personal arguments onto the forums, and dragging the conversation around to what you specifically know/believe about other individuals is cliquey, isn't welcoming to people outside of that. That is exactly what we've been moderating you for, and exactly what we're trying to reduce.