UK Politics

[steviewevie]

Reform have a got a local food bank founder and charity worker as their representative in Blackpool South. Could do well.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

Imagine the mood if the Tories won.

yeah would be grim ... but really not seeing that happening 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

yeah would be grim ... but really not seeing that happening 

Left field Corbyn fans would be loving it.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

That pesky Owen Jones...

 

[Neil]

17 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I always said it would be May...................... until they delayed the 3rd reading of the Rwanda bill til after Easter.

They are using that bill as part of when it will be, pass the bill, get a plane off the ground with one person on it and call the election.

tories have said "in the autumn" tonight.

[zahidf]

 

 

Big Irish scandal coming.

[zahidf]

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

If true that will take the heat of Sunak's random help your mates out honours list.

He's gone.

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

I doubt this is true but if it is who cares, there’s much more important to worry about than a flag on a leaflet. 

[kaosmark2]

They should put the EU flag on the flyers instead.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Why do politicians feel the need to ram 'patriotism' down our throats or use it as something that shows them to be great?

its an attempt at making clear that they're working for the people of this county, no one wants their leaders to put others first.

 

22 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

They should put the EU flag on the flyers instead.

which is why that would be a bad idea!

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

its an attempt at making clear that they're working for the people of this county, no one wants their leaders to put others first.

But who are "the people of this country"?

Because personally, I get on edge around people/places waving Union Jacks and St George Flags around.

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

But who are "the people of this country"?

 

The ones who are voting for the leader of this country.

8 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Because personally, I get on edge around people/places waving Union Jacks and St George Flags around.

Me too. But plenty who object to those flags wouldn't have an issue with different flags. See Stevie's EU flag comment just above, its a same attempt of saying "this is for you".

[steviewevie]

Some people like this patriotic flag waving shite, some people don't. That is the issue. 

[Guest]

It seems to be a story driven by Momentum which means it’s totally bollocks. 

[kaosmark2]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Some people like this patriotic flag waving shite, some people don't. That is the issue. 

Except for a lot of us who don't, we actually feel it partially as a safety issue.

[kaosmark2]

31 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

All flags do is make some feel excluded and others feel vindicated in their hatred of those who feel excluded.........................

and the fact we are having this discussion shows that just using a flag has distracted from what the leaflets actually say!

I know I keep harping on about him, but the fact that Neil Coyle is going to be on some of the leaflets says how happy Starmer is to exclude people and make people feel vindicated in hatred.

[steviewevie]

 

[lazyred]

3 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

Except for a lot of us who don't, we actually feel it partially as a safety issue.

I'm not a flag waver myself and its tricky. I don't want to wave my national flags but eqully I don't want them to be symbols of the far right. If the union and george flags can be reclaimed from the far right they can't be used to intimidate people as they heve been in the past.

The article says it is some labour activists who don't want to deliver the leaflets. That is a problem because it highlights the difference between the party and the voters they need to attract. This messaging is required to show Labour have changed after Corbyn.

[lazyred]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Labour membership falls by 23,000 the more they become just like the Tories.

Alternativley the kind of activists they have lost are the reason Labour are now above 40% in the polls

[lazyred]

16 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Yep - losing those on the left to be left with those closer to the Tories 🙃

They have to be closer to the tories (but I still think there are big differences) to win. The left are all or nothing but public attitudes take time to change. If a centrist labour party can change the electoral pattern to win 3 out of every 4 elections then over time we will become a more left wing society. 

[lazyred]

 

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

I know I keep harping on about him, but the fact that Neil Coyle is going to be on some of the leaflets says how happy Starmer is to exclude people and make people feel vindicated in hatred.

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