UK Politics

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, Neil said:

that's cos jones is not socially conservative, this alliance of convenience is likely to go horribly wrong.

well, there's that left/right economic/social graph, and Labour are probably kind of hitting the middle of that on a lot of stuff, which electorally is probably the winning place to be, along with fact the incumbent lot look exhausted, fractious and out of ideas. 

But, yes, it seems slightly to the left on ecomomic and to the right on social stuff is the actual place that wins elections...Johnson/Cummings knew this...but they f**ked it up. Now Tories have gone to right on everything and Labour are mopping up.

[steviewevie]

Corbyn's Labour economic policies were not unpopular..more spending paid for by higher taxes on higher incomes, nationalisation etc...but they kept f**king up (past and present) with dumb stuff about IRA, Hamas, Putin, Churchill that is not going to win an election in UK. They really blew it.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

As proof that this does not happen I give you 1997 to 2010.

True. But things different now, voters more volatile, a lot less trust in politicians and main stream politics. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

25% Tories, 40% Labour, 10% lib Dem

Seems 7.5/10 are quite happy with mainstream aka same old same old

yes, but Reform and Green.....if Labour don't improve things within next parliament where will support go...back to the Tories? Not so sure.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

History says yes, back to the Tories and a dribble to Lib Dems.

History is always a good place to find what might happen in the future.

Not sure how Reform will effect things? Look at Ukip from 2013 onwards and you will find the answer.

I see nothing, not a thing, to suggest the UK political scene will change in my lifetime

no probably not. I guess we could change our electoral system...but doesn't seem much eagerness for that from the big parties for obvious reasons. But...looking across europe and it's all about the rise of populist right anti immigrant and anti net zero parties, so not sure how eager I am either.

[Guest]

The Tories must be desperate to target this site.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Corbyn's Labour economic policies were not unpopular..more spending paid for by higher taxes on higher incomes, nationalisation etc...but they kept f**king up (past and present) with dumb stuff about IRA, Hamas, Putin, Churchill that is not going to win an election in UK. They really blew it.

The policies deflected from corbyns unpopularity.

I think voters didn't feel they could trust him.

[Neil]

its taken 40+ years to come out, but something thatch claimed as a big triumph has finally been properly exposed as corrupt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/24/al-yamamah-arms-deal-report-discovery-anti-corruption-mod-nao-britain-saudi-arabia

wonder if mark thatch got any of the pay-off - he was inexplicably rich.

[Neil]

kent got a proper scumbag now, a stabby 12 year old.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Ommadawn said:

The Tories must be desperate to target this site.

Personalised ads.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

yes, but Reform and Green.....if Labour don't improve things within next parliament where will support go...back to the Tories? Not so sure.

depends what the policy pitches are. there's  votes to be won if they can win the voter's trust winning that trust would be difficult for corbyn and abbott - they both have well known history's that many voters find repellent.

[Neil]

the don't knows tend to be previously tory voters who haven't made up their minds yet.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Personalised ads.

Yeah maybe. I do scan all the papers each day to get a balanced view of events but I've cleared my cache and am still getting them

[Neil]

i hink the tories think labour will drop the triple lock.

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It's the cookies that dictate what ads you see. Unless you clear all cookies, including the ones you want (no easy way to see which you do and which you don't) then you get ads based on recent web browsing and newer cookies with a few older ones. Also a few 'sponsored' ones as well.

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Which is exactly what those who the system benefits want............... an electorate who just accept it or decide to disengage with it.
They are winning on all fronts and people like me who have been pro change for their life see no real point anymore and think perhaps the time has come to give up and just live the rest of our lives outside of 'societal norms'

so what change do you want? 

[fraybentos1]

Labour and Conservatives refuse to commit to compensating Waspi women | The Independent

good!

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Which is exactly what those who the system benefits want............... an electorate who just accept it or decide to disengage with it.
They are winning on all fronts and people like me who have been pro change for their life see no real point anymore and think perhaps the time has come to give up and just live the rest of our lives outside of 'societal norms'

You write that like you get no benefit from the current system.and you ignore that the changes you'd like cannot raise enough support to happen.

[Neil]

29 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Labour and Conservatives refuse to commit to compensating Waspi women | The Independent

good!

It's a lot of Dosh plus it opens a can if worms where everyone affected by the pension age changes can make the same claim.

[Neil]

11 hours ago, Neil said:

i think the tories think labour will drop the triple lock.

Be good if labour did it's an unaffordable drag on public spending. And pensioners sre no longer in poverty. They've been well looked after by govt during the last thirty years.

It's quite a good divide for the Tories to campaign on if labour do say they'll drop the triple lock.

[Neil]

On 3/10/2024 at 1:23 PM, fraybentos1 said:

Highly doubt this is true. Tripled since 2012? No chance!

the offer I've just had says its true. 😄 

(sold in less than a week from being advertised).

[steviewevie]

Seems the CCP has all our deets.

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Neil said:

Be good if labour did it's an unaffordable drag on public spending. And pensioners sre no longer in poverty. They've been well looked after by govt during the last thirty years.

It's quite a good divide for the Tories to campaign on if labour do say they'll drop the triple lock.

Labour won’t do that, they’re saying that they are gonna keep it. They might amend it further down the line but it is staying. 

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Labour won’t do that, they’re saying that they are gonna keep it. They might amend it further down the line but it is staying. 

its unfair (workers don't have a similar income_rise guarantee) and its unaffordable

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Seems the CCP has all our deets.

they could at least send us membership cards.