UK Politics

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

From memory no government ministers and no MPs from the opposition. If it stays this way Hoyle will be fine. I don’t think a coalition with SNP working with right wing Tory’s will be enough.

ok...but when he is supposed to be representing all members, not in opposition to them...and 80 of them want him gone.

And if you step back and look at what happened...SNP had their opposition day, they only get 3 a year...which yes you could accuse them of playing party politics with the Gaza situation, but also it is an important global issue that resonates here, and it is their right to do what they want with this opposition day whether it's point scoring or not...and then Hoyle who was a Labour MP, allowed the Labour amendment so basically making it Labour's opposition day.

Now this was apparently because he wanted to give all sides a go for such an important issue which is nonsense really...but also he was concerned for MPs safety which isn't nonsense but does give in to those who are posing threats, and maybe just makes things worse? Or he wanted to save Starmer a big problem with loads of his MPs voting for the SNP motion.

So, he apologised, and told SNP he would give them their debate/vote on Gaza....and then suddenly said actually he wouldn't. It is kind of wtf.

[steviewevie]

Anyway, going to be a ceasefire on Monday...probably down to that Labour ceasefire motion passing.

[steviewevie]

IFS tells Hunt stop being silly with tax cuts...

 

[Neil]

52 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

From memory no government ministers and no MPs from the opposition. If it stays this way Hoyle will be fine. I don’t think a coalition with SNP working with right wing Tory’s will be enough.

Snp working with the Tories that's never happened before.

[pink_triangle]

48 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

ok...but when he is supposed to be representing all members, not in opposition to them...and 80 of them want him gone.

And if you step back and look at what happened...SNP had their opposition day, they only get 3 a year...which yes you could accuse them of playing party politics with the Gaza situation, but also it is an important global issue that resonates here, and it is their right to do what they want with this opposition day whether it's point scoring or not...and then Hoyle who was a Labour MP, allowed the Labour amendment so basically making it Labour's opposition day.

Now this was apparently because he wanted to give all sides a go for such an important issue which is nonsense really...but also he was concerned for MPs safety which isn't nonsense but does give in to those who are posing threats, and maybe just makes things worse? Or he wanted to save Starmer a big problem with loads of his MPs voting for the SNP motion.

So, he apologised, and told SNP he would give them their debate/vote on Gaza....and then suddenly said actually he wouldn't. It is kind of wtf.

I know he went eventually, but what was the tipping point for Bercow? Must have been way more than 80.

[fraybentos1]

9 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

It wasn't you I was referring to Neil.
Your purges were the stuff of legend. They were spoken about in hushed tones on TOS if I remember correctly.

what is TOS?

[steviewevie]

24 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I know he went eventually, but what was the tipping point for Bercow? Must have been way more than 80.

not sure there was ever a no confidence motion for Bercow, even though plenty wanted him gone throughout his time , but in the end he just stood down when he wanted. But Bercow was a bit of a maverick and a divisive figure, he loved it...but Hoyle was supposed to be different, he would be totally impartial and stick to the rules, and he mostly has but now this. Incidentally  Michael  Martin who was speaker before Bercow quit after just 22 MPs signed a no confidence thingy.

[steviewevie]

they can't say islamophobic,

 

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14 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The metric I run such things against is that used for Anti-Sematism.

If Anderson had said the same about an Jewish mayor being controlled by Jewish people then that would be Anti-Sematism and there would have been immediate sackings and nobody at all would back away from saying what it was.

 

So using that same metric to see if he was Islamaphobic, then yes, 100% he was.

Sadly these 'rules' are only used for one bigotry tendancy and not all.

Difference is they use terms Islamist or Zionist as a get out...

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[steviewevie]

Apparently Hunt thinking of taxing vapes. How stupid.

[stuie]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

what is TOS?

Indeed - what is TOS? 

To be fair to Neil though, if he just banned people he didn't like when he was the boss, I'd probably have been up for the chop. 

[gizmoman]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Indeed - what is TOS? 

To be fair to Neil though, if he just banned people he didn't like when he was the boss, I'd probably have been up for the chop. 

The Official Site, from the days when the festival had it's own forum.

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[Guest]

59 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Bet we won't see the £180 though.

[lazyred]

38 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Bet we won't see the £180 though.

I always wonder about this. Our generated power is always sold to us at market rates. Are Labour saying they will cap domestic electricity prices even if global energy costs rise?

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[kaosmark2]

5 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The metric I run such things against is that used for Anti-Sematism.

If Anderson had said the same about an Jewish mayor being controlled by Jewish people then that would be Anti-Sematism and there would have been immediate sackings and nobody at all would back away from saying what it was.

 

So using that same metric to see if he was Islamaphobic, then yes, 100% he was.

Sadly these 'rules' are only used for one bigotry tendancy and not all.

What about "given renminbi" and "funded by Fu Manchu"?

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[LJS]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Maybe they're just shagging.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

Maybe they're just shagging.

that is the plot twist the world needs.

[Crazyfool01]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

suprised its taken this long , so if he jumps to reform does it mean another by election ?