UK Politics

[fraybentos1]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

Now all I can see when Neil posts is this

Uncle Albert would hold way more progressive views regarding mental health I think. He always seemed a good guy to me lol

[Neil]

15 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

stop acting like you fought in a war Neil FFS, you're so far off the mark with these views

Stop making it up in your head.not everyone could buy a house in the 70s Britain was never the utopia that was the  momentum fantasy.

[fred quimby]

45 minutes ago, Neil said:

my generation knows hardship and knows that we can pull ourselves together, even after going to the docs, it was still all down to you to deal with, the doc made little difference apart from protecting your income.

You seemed to be saying it was a good thing. 

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

Stop making it up in your head.not everyone could buy a house in the 70s Britain was never the utopia that was the  momentum fantasy.

You said 'my generation knew hardship' as if every generation hasn't been totally f**ked in some way or another. 

no idea why you're talking about houses- not the discussion point 

[steviewevie]

Older generations were less aware of mental health problems, but they were certainly there but just not diagnosed as much I guess. Kids who were misbehaving or not listening and doing poorly at school would have been punished, now they get diagnosed with ADHD and helped. Kids who can't handle certain social or stressful situations and end up dropping  out of school and becoming reclusive now get diagnosed with autism and helped. People who have nervous breakdowns in past would just disappear from the workplace and end up in hospital or sectioned and get ECT and sometimes were never seen again, they now often get therapy and/or medication and help in life. People who could not go out due to anxiety or depression just stayed like that, you didn't see them, now again they can get help to live as much of a life as possible.  It is better now, but also more visible so feels more common?

I had a good friend who when young was a proper geezer and you would never know anything was wrong, but when he hit his late teens his behaviour became very strange and he was eventuallty diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and his life has been kind of f**ked ever since. Not sure why I'm telling you this, just thought of it and it's sad. As far as I know he's not been able to hold down a job since, or any relationship or much of a life.

Edited February 19, 2024 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

he has been suspended. 

[SheffJeff]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Older generations were less aware of mental health problems, but they were certainly there but just not diagnosed as much I guess. Kids who were misbehaving or not listening and doing poorly at school would have been punished, now they get diagnosed with ADHD and helped. Kids who can't handle certain social or stressful situations and end up dropping  out of school and becoming reclusive now get diagnosed with autism and helped. People who have nervous breakdowns in past would just disappear from the workplace and end up in hospital or sectioned and get ECT and sometimes were never seen again, they now often get therapy and/or medication and help in life. People who could not go out due to anxiety or depression just stayed like that, you didn't see them, now again they can get help to live as much of a life as possible.  It is better now, but also more visible so feels more common?

I had a good friend who when young was a proper geezer and you would never know anything was wrong, but when he hit his late teens his behaviour became very strange and he was eventuallty diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and his life has been kind of f**ked ever since. Not sure why I'm telling you this, just thought of it and it's sad. As far as I know he's not been able to hold down a job since, or any relationship or much of a life.

My parents took my sister to the doctors with anorexia in 1989 and were just told to take her to Mcdonalds!  Obviously awareness and knowledge of mental health issues is in a much better place now which should be celebrated rather than focusing on the extremely small of people who are making false claims.

[stuie]

Another head scratchingly weird take on life!

 

 

[lazyred]

Lib Dems strategy to squeeze labour in the south east targetting Surrey Shufflers

https://open.substack.com/pub/morningcall/p/morning-call-inside-the-lib-dems?r=26i7ow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

Lib Dems strategy to squeeze labour in the south east targetting Surrey Shufflers

https://open.substack.com/pub/morningcall/p/morning-call-inside-the-lib-dems?r=26i7ow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Out come the dodgy graphs!

[philipsteak]

7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Good idea, or stupid waste of time and energy on focus group type policy making?

 

My first thought, before reading the second paragraph, was Ireland.

As I understand it they've been very successful there, and generally well received by people.

[fraybentos1]

Labour apparently committing to the triple lock on state pensions. This week there was also news saying pension ages are gonna have to be pushed even further back for younger people.

Once again young people getting diddled at the expense of oldies.

3 million pensioners  in the U.K. are millionaires, let that sink in

[fred quimby]

18 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Labour apparently committing to the triple lock on state pensions. This week there was also news saying pension ages are gonna have to be pushed even further back for younger people.

Once again young people getting diddled at the expense of oldies.

3 million pensioners  in the U.K. are millionaires, let that sink in

Where does the 3 mill come from?

Never sure about blaming old people for getting old and at the expense of the young. What are people meant to do

Edited February 19, 2024 by fred quimby

[Neil]

24 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Where does the 3 mill come from?

it come from the jealous no-marks selling their houses for them.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

Out come the dodgy graphs!

in most south east seats labour don't have a chance, even the lib dems don't have a chance.

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Neil said:

in most south east seats labour don't have a chance, even the lib dems don't have a chance.

not any more

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Depends where you class as South East but Labour and Libdems have always won plenty of seats in that region and the Greens have their one seat there too.

Facts though, why bother with them when you can just make it all up as you go along LOL

not so many in 2019

[Neil]

21 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Depends where you class as South East but Labour and Libdems have always won plenty of seats in that region and the Greens have their one seat there too.

Facts though, why bother with them when you can just make it all up as you go along LOL

South East is Kent Sussex Surrey and Hampshire ( maybe Berkshire too. Very few labour assets ( cities only) and having been brought up in the south East I was always looking for libsuccess as an indicator of change but it never happened. Rumours of the seats of  Gove and spelling mistake being under threat ( I've lived in both those seats and with be surprised if they change. Will mostly be due to those two individuals if it happens.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, fred quimby said:

Where does the 3 mill come from?

Never sure about blaming old people for getting old and at the expense of the young. What are people meant to do

https://fullfact.org/economy/millionaire-pensioners/ 

this is the latest I can find

also i'm blaming the politicians who know fine well younger people are going to get f**ked over but use this as a way to buy votes from oldies

[steviewevie]

Yes! f**k you care workers!

 

[fred quimby]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

https://fullfact.org/economy/millionaire-pensioners/ 

this is the latest I can find

 

Ta, includes all assets, I should have thought if that. 

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

 

also i'm blaming the politicians who know fine well younger people are going to get f**ked over but use this as a way to buy votes from oldies

Got you. Yes I agree

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Depends where you class as South East but Labour and Libdems have always won plenty of seats in that region and the Greens have their one seat there too.

Facts though, why bother with them when you can just make it all up as you go along LOL

I've got more than facts I've got 30 years lived experience of the area and libs and labour don't have traction there (outside of the few cities) Even when Tories are hugely hated.

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

https://fullfact.org/economy/millionaire-pensioners/ 

this is the latest I can find

also i'm blaming the politicians who know fine well younger people are going to get f**ked over but use this as a way to buy votes from oldies

Maybe its evidence based policy. When pensions were flimsy the government picked up a lot of extra costs for oldies. Can't really have benefit rises written into law and exclude rises for pensions.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

3 million pensioners  in the U.K. are millionaires, let that sink in

There's only around 2.8 million millionaires in the whole country (est 2021 figure)