UK Politics

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

you don't fly we are all saved

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Do you eat meat Neil?

can you get the other vegans to eat the same no-fart veggies that you eat?. 

[clarkete]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

"Between 2015 and 2017 the Conservative party increased its share of the vote by about five percentage points, adding a further point in 2019. In the graph below we can see that the bulk of that extra support in 2017 was from the two oldest age groups, who maintained their support in 2019."

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, clarkete said:

"Between 2015 and 2017 the Conservative party increased its share of the vote by about five percentage points, adding a further point in 2019. In the graph below we can see that the bulk of that extra support in 2017 was from the two oldest age groups, who maintained their support in 2019."

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

Its wasn't the dying off oldies who gave them those extra votes, must have been a growing part of the population. No idea who that could be? Perhaps the generation who celebrates their easier  ability to wreck the planet as a good thing.

Edited February 20, 2024 by Neil

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The Labour amendment is political too.................... they are all as sh*t as each other on this bar the SNP whose stance has remained the same from day 1

not arguing it isn't...but Labour and I expect Tories do not want to make it a Israel unilateral ceasefire but put some conditions on Hamas too...although SNP do say that Hamas need to release hostages...so they're all kind of saying the same thing, so ffs just agree on an amendment and get it through.

Whole thing is academic when you see the conditions Israel and Hamas have put on any ceasefire/truce happening...but I expect some people behind the scenes are trying to negotiate something and don't actually give a flying f**k what is happening in westminster.

Edited February 20, 2024 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It is quite mad for anyone to fixate on one, small, part of the whole picture that makes up less than 2.5% whilst seeming to ignore some of the worst contributors all together.

I know this should be on the Climate Change thread but it is relevant to recent posts.

but what is that per head?

[clarkete]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

Its wasn't the dying off oldies who gave them those extra votes, must have been a growing part of the population. No idea who that could be? Perhaps the generation who celebrates their easier  ability to wreck the planet as a good thing.

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

[steviewevie]

Starmer is whipping MPs to vote against SNP motion...so could be fireworks tomorrow...more resignations maybe...lots of Starmer hate...etc etc...

[Neil]

1 minute ago, clarkete said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

You mean your target voters

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, clarkete said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

I've just remembered I was wrong the youth do care that rhe libdems are lying arses, they went and voted Tory to protest about that.

Your version only works in a world with active resurrections and a disappearing yout.

Edited February 20, 2024 by Neil

[fraybentos1]

48 minutes ago, Neil said:

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

the 'burn the oil parties' being every party minus the Greens who you seem to hate

 

45 minutes ago, Neil said:

can you get the other vegans to eat the same no-fart veggies that you eat?. 

what you on about

[fraybentos1]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

the youth do care that rhe libdems are lying arses, they went and voted Tory to protest about that.

 

young people are of course famous for voting tory aren't they

[pink_triangle]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

not arguing it isn't...but Labour and I expect Tories do not want to make it a Israel unilateral ceasefire but put some conditions on Hamas too...although SNP do say that Hamas need to release hostages...so they're all kind of saying the same thing, so ffs just agree on an amendment and get it through.

Whole thing is academic when you see the conditions Israel and Hamas have put on any ceasefire/truce happening...but I expect some people behind the scenes are trying to negotiate something and don't actually give a flying f**k what is happening in westminster.

The wording is important in one respect. SNP know they will have no seat at the negotiating table in this, so can effectively say what they want. PM Starmer may have a small amount of influence, so I understand his caution.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

The wording is important in one respect. SNP know they will have no seat at the negotiating table in this, so can effectively say what they want. PM Starmer may have a small amount of influence, so I understand his caution.

yes ok, but maybe he should have called for this immediate humanitarian ceasefire back in November.

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yes ok, but maybe he should have called for this immediate humanitarian ceasefire back in November.

How would the world have been different if he did? Would he be in a better position to use his influence as future PM?

[fred quimby]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

they care about lots about them, very often  don't care enough about thing to do the legwork.

 

Your kids sound right monsters 😉

Mine certainly are 😄

Edited February 20, 2024 by fred quimby

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

How would the world have been different if he did? Would he be in a better position to use his influence as future PM?

no idea, probably no different...but maybe Labour would be more united on this issue and wouldn't be facing another difficult vote and possible resignations tomorrow....and maybe pressure and focus would have been more on the tories...as for influence, well now he's calling for this ceasefire, following not leading...who will that impress?

[pink_triangle]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no idea, probably no different...but maybe Labour would be more united on this issue and wouldn't be facing another difficult vote and possible resignations tomorrow....and maybe pressure and focus would have been more on the tories...as for influence, well now he's calling for this ceasefire, following not leading...who will that impress?

Labour have been united, a few ministerial resignations that nobody have heard of, all positive about Starmer. Neither labour or the tories are under pressure from the electorate about this. As I have said many times this issue is high up the ladder on political social media, but low in the real life. At the end of the day even if the PM has influence it’s going to be small. Labour are playing politics, but so are Torys and SNP. I have no doubt that Isreal are paying little attention to what British politicians think about this.

[steviewevie]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

few ministerial resignations that nobody have heard of

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Phillips was the most high profile, but I’m not convinced she is well known by those who don’t follow politics.

[steviewevie]

even willie is doing it

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

Phillips was the most high profile, but I’m not convinced she is well known by those who don’t follow politics.

I mean ok...but if it's going to be constantly none of this is important because most people aren't bothered then we may as well close this thread and go and do something more useful.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I mean ok...but if it's going to be constantly none of this is important because most people aren't bothered then we may as well close this thread and go and do something more useful.

or talk about potholes.

[stuie]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

they care about lots about them, very often  don't care enough about thing to do the legwork.

get back to me when they care enough to stop flying, someone (including himself as a youth - lying to himself, i reckon) here only yesterday was celebrating the youth doing their own bit to destroy the planet as a good thing about his life

Not the flying again 😂

Being a well travelled, trans-Atlantic ex flyer, meat eater and father of kids who fly doesn’t make you the climate saviour you think it does.