Music Festivals given go ahead from late May...

[Zacko]

19 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Thanks all 🙂

I'm planning to enter around 6ish. Hoping to have my jaw swinging but other than that i'll be trying my best to behave. I just hope i've still got the moves! Worried i'll be the out of place dad dancer 😬

🤣🤣🤣

So you're saying I shouldn't invite them to the Manny Hot Tub Meetup just yet? 👀

 

Super jealous! I can only imagine the sheer euphoria later, as you just know everyone playing will have been thinking about their first and last tunes for weeks now.

Bet Jayda G will be an absolute vibe.  

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I don't see why we can't have a light touch regime for outdoor events (no indoor stages, gel stations everywhere etc).

And then let indoor event promoters choose whether to have an a) mandatory testing/proof of vaccination policy or b) a mask/no drinking policy.

Would mean no super spreading but still allow events to go ahead.

 

To be fair the blossoms gig seems to be about seeing if tented stages are safe with testing, I imagine FR were involved with that because of festivals having both types of stage mainly. The fact they jumped straight to that COULD infer that at the very least it's accepted by the scientists that fully outdoor gigs are safe, because I'd have expected an open air one first if they needed to test that, then move on to the riskier environments like tents 

[xxialac]

There is one problem I don't think has really been covered.

How do people get to these mass events, especially in the middle of nowhere?

Think of festival buses. Definitely people should have to wear masks for the duration of the journey...but I can foresee a problem with entitled pricks thinking they shouldn't have to and contamination then happening before even walking into the festival. 

[MrBarry465]

Another one bights the dust, 'Beat Heder' festival has been postponed to next year.

People can bang on about June 21st all they want, but to me it's clear things won't properly be picking up till next summer anyway. 

 

[MrBarry465]

On 4/29/2021 at 8:45 AM, stuie said:

Noisily are still holding on. They say they’ve negotiated looser contracts with artists and DJ’s and as a small festival, largely built by a community, they are taking it to the wire.  

Interesting, I've got Noisily Festival tickets - hopiong it goes ahead. 

[stuie]

2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Another one bights the dust, 'Beat Heder' festival has been postponed to next year.

People can bang on about June 21st all they want, but to me it's clear things won't properly be picking up till next summer anyway. 

 

Yeah they cancelled yesterday, but also yesterday we had two line ups drop. So far today we’ve had a line up drop and two festivals email their ticket holders to say they are still hopeful. 

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

There is one problem I don't think has really been covered.

How do people get to these mass events, especially in the middle of nowhere?

Think of festival buses. Definitely people should have to wear masks for the duration of the journey...but I can foresee a problem with entitled pricks thinking they shouldn't have to and contamination then happening before even walking into the festival. 

I agree with this if we were talking about putting events on in a virus riddled country, but we're really not.  the prevalence levels now look good and will likely be even better by the time events happen, with anyone who would contribute to overwhelming the NHS  vaccinated...if it matters still then, there's an argument it probably always will. And then we have bigger problems than whether events happen 

Obviously it's all down to insurance really but I don't think we need to worry TOO much about the spread of the virus at that point

Edited April 30, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[bennyhana22]

51 minutes ago, xxialac said:

But indoor events with no testing and people taking their masks off half the time is a guarantee of spreading.

Well, yes - except that around 40 million people in the UK are considered to live in areas with negligible virus circulation.

And that's only going to increase, with the continuously expanded vaccinated population...

Ben

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Well, yes - except that around 40 million people in the UK are considered to live in areas with negligible virus circulation.

And that's only going to increase, with the continuously expanded vaccinated population...

Ben

Really?

The 'negligible virus circulation' is in large part due to a very long lockdown and heavy current mitigation measures.

That's to ignore the inevitable increase in cases if we now take significantly higher risks such as allowing an indoor free for all.

[stuie]

13 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Interesting, I've got Noisily Festival tickets - hopiong it goes ahead. 

We live in hope with our fingers crossed! See you in the woods! 

[MrBarry465]

14 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I agree with this if we were talking about putting events on in a virus riddled country, but we're really not.  the prevalence levels now look good and will likely be even better by the time events happen, with anyone who would contribute to overwhelming the NHS  vaccinated...if it matters still then, there's an argument it probably always will. And then we have bigger problems than whether events happen 

Obviously it's all down to insurance really but I don't think we need to worry TOO much about the spread of the virus at that point

For me the big test comes when people start gathering indoors en masse.

We will know more by mid June - we ain't out of the woods yet and India / Brazil masssively need to be sorted.

[bennyhana22]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Really?

The 'negligible virus circulation' is in large part due to a very long lockdown and heavy current mitigation measures.

That's to ignore the inevitable increase in cases if we now take significantly higher risks such as allowing an indoor free for all.

Not an indoor free-for-all. The one thing that I do support from this government's pandemic response (as I'm claiming the vaccine programme for us, in the NHS) is the 5-week gap unlocking. Following that, with the current trajectory will mean that, almost certainly, UK herd immunity will have been reached.

What does that mean? Zero cases? Zero deaths? No. Never. Just like influenza, sepsis and all other infective causes of morbidity and mortality.

However, by then (and, in fact, now, really...) COVID-19 as a cause of NHS burden and death will be 'medically insignificant' in terms of being an entity for which disease-specific restrictions will be required. One of the issues is that they continue to publish daily case and death numbers for a condition which is now relatively insignificant in the table of causes of severe illness and death in the UK. That's not to be complacent or suggest that, perhaps with variant mutation etc, it can never again become something that requires a specific response, but as things standard, COVID-19 impact in the UK is, on a population level, now insignificant.

Ben

[xxialac]

11 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Not an indoor free-for-all. The one thing that I do support from this government's pandemic response (as I'm claiming the vaccine programme for us, in the NHS) is the 5-week gap unlocking. Following that, with the current trajectory will mean that, almost certainly, UK herd immunity will have been reached.

What does that mean? Zero cases? Zero deaths? No. Never. Just like influenza, sepsis and all other infective causes of morbidity and mortality.

However, by then (and, in fact, now, really...) COVID-19 as a cause of NHS burden and death will be 'medically insignificant' in terms of being an entity for which disease-specific restrictions will be required. One of the issues is that they continue to publish daily case and death numbers for a condition which is now relatively insignificant in the table of causes of severe illness and death in the UK. That's not to be complacent or suggest that, perhaps with variant mutation etc, it can never again become something that requires a specific response, but as things standard, COVID-19 impact in the UK is, on a population level, now insignificant.

Ben

The debate as I saw it was whether we need to have some indoor restrictions on June 22 or not for mass events.

I simply don't believe that enough of the population will have been vaccinated for this to happen by that day and there won't be 'herd immunity' by then. And that all this opening up will mean that cases are a level that means full unlocking is not realistic.

Tests or masks is the way to go for a further interim period if we want to enjoy indoor events.

 

[bennyhana22]

3 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The debate as I saw it was whether we need to have some indoor restrictions on June 22 or not for mass events.

I simply don't believe that enough of the population will have been vaccinated for this to happen by that day and there won't be 'herd immunity' by then. And that all this opening up will mean that cases are a level that means full unlocking is not realistic.

Tests or masks is the way to go for a further interim period if we want to enjoy indoor events.

 

Many leading scientists think we've probably reached herd immunity already.

We need to remember what that means. It means that a critical proportion of the population has adequate immunity so as to prevent uncontrolled transmission and significant illness/death on a population level. Notwithstanding the fact that we're not yet mixing in a pre-pandemic model, we've likely reached, or very nearly reached that point now. Almost no-one is currently becoming seriously ill or dying in the UK right now, from newly-acquired SARS-CoV-2.

Ben

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, bennyhana22 said:

Many leading scientists think we've probably reached herd immunity already.

 

Got any evidence/data to back that up? From reliable sources. 

[bennyhana22]

1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

Got any evidence/data to back that up? From reliable sources. 

Forgive me - I read and listen to masses of this stuff and the detail can get lost in the sheer volume of information. I heard a number of epidemiologists on the radio stating that, given the number of UK vaccinated so far and the extraordinary effects on illness/death prevention and reduction in transmission, they felt that we were at, or very close to UK herd immunity. This is not Twitter/Facebook bollocks, but Radio 4 stuff, but apologies that no, I don't have linkable sources, so you're right to question.

Ben

[bennyhana22]

6 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Almost no-one is currently becoming seriously ill or dying in the UK right now, from newly-acquired SARS-CoV-2.

Not to want to be a self-quoter, but this IS correct.

Ben

[Homer]

1 hour ago, cdm22 said:

Rewind Festival in Scotland just announced postponing too. The other Rewind Festivals scheduled for later in England still going ahead at the moment.

 

 

I just caught Del Amitri on the news saying it was the first they'd heard about this cancellation - TBF, they did add that they're always the last to know.

[Zacko]

1 minute ago, Homer said:

I just caught Del Amitri on the news saying it was the first they'd heard about this cancellation - TBF, they did add that they're always the last to know.

Take your upvote and get out of here!!! 

[xxialac]

14 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Almost no-one is currently becoming seriously ill or dying in the UK right now, from newly-acquired SARS-CoV-2.

 

I'd be putting the part in bold elsewhere in the sentence...

[bennyhana22]

3 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I'd be putting the part in bold elsewhere in the sentence...

Ha!

Except that that isn't consistent with my assertion. If correct (not just me...), then moving forward with the current unlocking 'road map', the population immunity should keep that position intact.

Ben

[stuie]

5 minutes ago, Homer said:

I just caught Del Amitri on the news saying it was the first they'd heard about this cancellation - TBF, they did add that they're always the last to know.

Out of upvotes but i doff my cap to you 😂

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, bennyhana22 said:

Ha!

Except that that isn't consistent with my assertion. If correct (not just me...), then moving forward with the current unlocking 'road map', the population immunity should keep that position intact.

Ben

We'll see. I hope you're right!

[funkychick2007]

Very excited for everyone going to the Liverpool live gigs today!! Enjoy yourselfs!! 👍🏻😃 stay safe! 🎶🎵

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, bennyhana22 said:

Well, yes - except that around 40 million people in the UK are considered to live in areas with negligible virus circulation.

And that's only going to increase, with the continuously expanded vaccinated population...

It's not only going to increase though. Especially if you're referring to virus circulation - we can argue the toss on hospitalizations and deaths, but circulation will definitely go up.

And that's the thing. We could probably have outdoor festivals in the UK now fairly safely. Like, Glastonbury could go "surprise, it's next week" and we could all go and there'd be very little chance of any major transmission.

But that's *because* people currently can't meet indoors, it's because they're still being told to work at home, it's because they're being told to avoid public transport.

The situation now is not the situation festivals will be running in (if they run at all). Festivals are not a priority, so they won't be allowed to happen until pretty much everything else has opened up first. And those circumstances will be different. And I agree with the sentiment that they'll probably be okay. The vaccination programme should get us on top of it all. But we don't know that for sure, we don't have enough information on what impact opening things up will have until we actually do it.

Were we a country that had a huge festival industry that it was crucial to get up and running, we'd be doing that now. We'd be delaying the opening of shops and indoor socialising instead so festivals could go ahead. Because they absolutely could go ahead right now.