mattiloy Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, steviewevie said: you really think they're going to replace Starmer with someone more left wing? No probably not. Saw this from his bald baldiness Bald Adonis. He needs sectioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, steviewevie said: yeah, and it if it helps you feel all righteous and that you're somehow saving the planet, go ahead and vote for them...but unless they have an actual chance of beating a tory MP it will just keep the tories in power....but I guess Johnson's missus likes animals and stuff so we'll probably be fine. I would rather vote green too at the moment, I did in the local elections recently...but in a general election you have to vote tactically. Your vote isn't just about who actually gets power any more though. Tactical voting is all well and good if it works - but things like who gets media coverage, who gets to go on Question Time, who gets covered in the press and so on are decided by the results of elections too. UKIP were a single issue party that never had more than a single MP in parliament and managed to force through their agenda. This shit does work. If Labour can take the votes of those on the left for granted then there's no reason for Labour to bother to do anything to appeal to them. Without the threat of them leaving en masse and voting Green or elsewhere there's no reason for them to bother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeanoL said: Your vote isn't just about who actually gets power any more though. Tactical voting is all well and good if it works - but things like who gets media coverage, who gets to go on Question Time, who gets covered in the press and so on are decided by the results of elections too. UKIP were a single issue party that never had more than a single MP in parliament and managed to force through their agenda. This shit does work. If Labour can take the votes of those on the left for granted then there's no reason for Labour to bother to do anything to appeal to them. Without the threat of them leaving en masse and voting Green or elsewhere there's no reason for them to bother. very true. But, at same time with the way the vote share is distributed...a split left vote just keeps the tories there...maybe it will make labour more green in the long term...but they'll still be out of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, steviewevie said: very true. But, at same time with the way the vote share is distributed...a split left vote just keeps the tories there...maybe it will make labour more green in the long term...but they'll still be out of power. Agreed. Labour should stand down for the greens and stop splitting the left vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, steviewevie said: very true. But, at same time with the way the vote share is distributed...a split left vote just keeps the tories there...maybe it will make labour more green in the long term...but they'll still be out of power. Arguably the split UKIP/BNP/Tory vote is the reason Labour were in power from 1997 onwards anyway. That was a price the Kippers were always willing to pay. It's whether those on the left have the stomach to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthyraver Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said: The left can’t afford to split the vote so they need to coalesce around a single unity candidate who can unite centrists and left wingers In a similar way had the party unified around Corbyn he likely could have formed a government in 2017 1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said: My gut feeling is Andy Burnham is a better option than Keir Starmer, despite both being soft left Brownites. Burnham is just a better man of the people. I totally agree with this although not a huge fan of Andy Burnham he might be what Labour need, good luck prising him away from Manchester though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, DeanoL said: Arguably the split UKIP/BNP/Tory vote is the reason Labour were in power from 1997 onwards anyway. That was a price the Kippers were always willing to pay. It's whether those on the left have the stomach to do the same. Well, it's been over 10 years now....I guess we can wait...not sure the climate can.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, worthyraver said: In a similar way had the party unified around Corbyn he likely could have formed a government in 2017 I totally agree with this although not a huge fan of Andy Burnham he might be what Labour need, good luck prising him away from Manchester though. Burnham just points the finger at London w*nkers.....all those labour voters are just going to think fucku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, mattiloy said: Agreed. Labour should stand down for the greens and stop splitting the left vote. yeah, nice centristy greens. Yummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Well, it's been over 10 years now....I guess we can wait...not sure the climate can.... Not even Corbyn was proposing anything near the radical changes that would be needed to actually sort climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haan Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 all my fellow echo chamber lot, I highly recommend this! Related to the Glasgow protests yesterday, Daniel Trilling spent the last six months interviewing politicians, civil servants, frontline staff, lawyers, judges, campaigners and ordinary people caught up in the cruelty of the home office: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/13/cruel-paranoid-failing-priti-patel-inside-the-home-office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenelk Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Interesting thread on the government "support" for touring artists and their plans on streaming - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Poots now leader of DUP...just incase people had forgotten what a bunch of weirdos they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 hours ago, steviewevie said: Poots now leader of DUP...just incase people had forgotten what a bunch of weirdos they are. Brill. United Ireland incoming 🇮🇪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Starmer appearing on Piers Morgan Life Stroies. Think that’s a good move from him, and hopefully he comes across well and less robotic than he appears most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 10 hours ago, mattiloy said: Brill. United Ireland incoming 🇮🇪 Won’t happen in either of our lifetimes imo. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zoo Music Girl Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Why the fuck is he wearing that shirt and shorts combo? Did he have a Zoom call or something? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Won’t happen in either of our lifetimes imo. Could be wrong. They’ll at least almost certainly have a border poll this decade since the census will see a catholic majority confirmed and the next NI assembly elections are on course to elect a majority of republicans - it isn’t like Scotland, the right to a border poll is enshrined in law. Then recent history tells us that the status quo options don’t do well in referenda. Throw in the fact that the DUP is an absolute basketcase and the tories probably privately wouldn’t mind letting Northern Ireland go, then I think theres a decent chance that the republicans would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 hours ago, mattiloy said: They’ll at least almost certainly have a border poll this decade since the census will see a catholic majority confirmed and the next NI assembly elections are on course to elect a majority of republicans - it isn’t like Scotland, the right to a border poll is enshrined in law. Then recent history tells us that the status quo options don’t do well in referenda. Throw in the fact that the DUP is an absolute basketcase and the tories probably privately wouldn’t mind letting Northern Ireland go, then I think theres a decent chance that the republicans would win. Like Scotland will probably depend on all those people who don't have particularly strong views either way, just don't want things to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steviewevie Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, zahidf said: bloody hec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mattiloy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Like Scotland will probably depend on all those people who don't have particularly strong views either way, just don't want things to get worse. Indeed. The key to winning will be the more academic sides of the debate to persuade the younger, pro european middle class people of protestant background that they are better off in a United Ireland. But in electing Poots as leader, the scene is set for if not Sinn Fein then at least the SDLP to reach out to those voters. 52 minutes ago, zahidf said: Its sad that the main left wing party in England is so beset by cowardly apologists for this disgusting fascist Israeli regime. You worry how far it has to go before the world intervenes. Do we have to wait until Israel commits genocide until Starmer climbs down off his fence ’i condemn both sides’. Pathetic but not surprising for somebody who recently recruited a former Israeli Defence Forces hacker to his campaign team. Half the PLP is compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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