U.S. Presidential Election

[SwedgeAntilles]

Shows again that us, be it centrist, left of centre or left wing (this is no such thing as far left) seem to be in the minority in today's society. 

Depressing eh?

[Matt42]

2 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

 

play nice you two, we're all on the same side

There’s a chance now we won’t move anywhere from here. It looks like we’re about to go into a freeze period. Might be a good time to go to bed.

[SwedgeAntilles]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

There’s a chance now we won’t move anywhere from here. It looks like we’re about to go into a freeze period. Might be a good time to go to bed.

Lets see what happens with Arizona first.

[SwedgeAntilles]

One thing I think we need to talk about here in the failure of centrism. 

[squirrelarmy]

7 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

One thing I think we need to talk about here in the failure of centrism. 

Does centrism have a chance when all the parties are polar opposites to each other. 

[Guest]

Keep an eye on Georgia, it's not over there yet. Atlanta is still only reporting 25% of votes and is overwhelmingly pro-Biden.

Edited November 4, 2020 by Ozanne

[SwedgeAntilles]

8 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Does centrism have a chance when all the parties are polar opposites to each other. 

There's never been a left wing party!

[zero000]

Just woken up. Why on earth is this so close? I feel sick. 

[Kurosagi]

19 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

One thing I think we need to talk about here in the failure of centrism. 

Not sure where you're coming from here and at this time of the evening (morning) my cognitive capacity is pretty rock bottom so in my reductive state I'm equating 'centrism' as someone like Blair and that's not a world I would be happy to go back to. And in a world where Biden is successfully categorised as socialist then centrism as a concept seems to have drifted so far to the right to be of much use.

But perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here?

[SwedgeAntilles]

1 minute ago, Kurosagi said:

Not sure where you're coming from here and at this time of the evening (morning) my cognitive capacity is pretty rock bottom so in my reductive state I'm equating 'centrism' as someone like Blair and that's not a world I would be happy to go back to. And in a world where Biden is successfully categorised as socialist then centrism as a concept seems to have drifted so far to the right to be of much use.

But perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here?

Bang on. If "we" lost this election again, as we have done previously I would suggest it's because we've not been committed enough to the reforms that we know are required.

[northernringo]

I wouldn't like to be the guy who put £1m on Biden a couple of days ago...

Back to sleep for me.

[Kurosagi]

2 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Bang on. If "we" lost this election again, as we have done previously I would suggest it's because we've not been committed enough to the reforms that we know are required.

Given the apparent Trump success of getting traction with the 'evil' of socialism <sigh>, how do you think Bernie would have fared (both in 2016 and 2020)?

[Kurosagi]

1 minute ago, northernringo said:

I wouldn't like to be the guy who put £1m on Biden a couple of days ago...

Back to sleep for me.

Biden's about to make a speech...are you sure you wanna miss it and trump's inevitable response?

[Guest]

 

 

[sirjonnyp]

Just now, Kurosagi said:

Given the apparent Trump success of getting traction with the 'evil' of socialism <sigh>, how do you think Bernie would have fared (both in 2016 and 2020)?

He would have been annihilated in both. Personal ideologies aside, anyone that thinks that he could have done better than Clinton or Biden needs to take a hard look at each of the elections (national, european and local) that Corbyn lost in the UK and see that being a nice fella that has socialist ideals and a large, young fanbase just doesn't fly at the moment. 

[Crazyfool01]

Do I need to cry yet ? Just ready for work ... or do we have some confidence still ? 

[ModernMan]

3 minutes ago, sirjonnyp said:

He would have been annihilated in both. Personal ideologies aside, anyone that thinks that he could have done better than Clinton or Biden needs to take a hard look at each of the elections (national, european and local) that Corbyn lost in the UK and see that being a nice fella that has socialist ideals and a large, young fanbase just doesn't fly at the moment. 

As much as I love what Bernie and Corbyn stand for, unfortunately if you don’t get the full backing of a party there’s no chance you will win. Bernie would have likely lost I agree. 

[Kurosagi]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

CNN just did a timely explanation of why Georgia is still in play despite the apparent huge difference and helps explain where your tweet is coming from. Down to the wire it looks like.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

CNN just did a timely explanation of why Georgia is still in play despite the apparent huge difference and helps explain where your tweet is coming from. Down to the wire it looks like.

Atlanta has a huge population which leans to Biden, it's not over there yet. Keep the faith people!

[Kurosagi]

2 minutes ago, ModernMan said:

As much as I love what Bernie and Corbyn stand for, unfortunately if you don’t get the full backing of a party there’s no chance you will win. Bernie would have likely lost I agree. 

This x10.

So the question is how on earth is someone sensible on the left able to break through for long enough to keep the centrist wolves at bay?

[Guest]

If Biden wins Arizona, Trumps chances fall to 20% of winning.

[sirjonnyp]

From Nate Silver:

A lot of states have been called on some networks and not on others. If you plug in all the states where any network has called the state for Biden or Trump, it shows Biden at 88 percent to win the Electoral College, Trump at 6 percent, and a 6 percent chance of a tie. But that depends on Biden winning Arizona and Minnesota, which ABC News hasn’t projected yet.

[Kurosagi]

Smart speech by Biden: good effort at being calm, positive and making Trump look odd if he tries to call it early.

[Kurosagi]

Can't work out whether a a 269 tie is still on the cards:

Steven Shepard
Senior campaigns and elections editor

5:52 a.m.

Taking Biden at face value about Michigan and Wisconsin — where, for what it’s worth (not that much), the exit poll data looks pretty good for him and he came in with a significant polling lead — here’s where the map goes: If Biden wins those two, plus Maine, Nevada and Arizona, but nothing else, he’s at 269 electoral votes. Which means he’s a Nebraska-02 (where he’s currently leading) away from hitting 270 on the number, WITHOUT Pennsylvania and Maine’s 2nd District.

[SheffJeff]

5 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

Can't work out whether a a 269 tie is still on the cards:

Steven Shepard
Senior campaigns and elections editor

5:52 a.m.

Taking Biden at face value about Michigan and Wisconsin — where, for what it’s worth (not that much), the exit poll data looks pretty good for him and he came in with a significant polling lead — here’s where the map goes: If Biden wins those two, plus Maine, Nevada and Arizona, but nothing else, he’s at 269 electoral votes. Which means he’s a Nebraska-02 (where he’s currently leading) away from hitting 270 on the number, WITHOUT Pennsylvania and Maine’s 2nd District.

Sorry if this has already been covered as I'm still half asleep... what happens if its a 269 tie? Penalty shootout?