eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, eFestivals said: and HMRC say they don't know the law that HMRC are working to, and say ACAS can help. Absolutely fucking unbelievable. and ACAS have a recorded msg that says "ACAS are not able to answer questions about the job retention scheme" 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, whitehorses said: “Employers can use this scheme anytime during this“ This reads to me like it can be dipped in and out of? HMRC say a categorical 'no'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Seems silly that a company can’t switch the status of an employee. Countless business examples of why someone status may need switching Edited March 31, 2020 by whitehorses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, whitehorses said: Seems silly that a company can’t switch the status of an employee. Countless business examples of why someone status may need switching I know, it's absolutely mad and stupid for a scheme that's designed to preserve businesses. Just to show how stupid it is, if i furlough myself so I can be paid, I can't be paid because paying me requires me to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, eFestivals said: I know, it's absolutely mad and stupid for a scheme that's designed to preserve businesses. Just to show how stupid it is, if i furlough myself so I can be paid, I can't be paid because paying me requires me to work. I think Ltd company sole employees are allowed to do necessary admin work. That must include payroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, whitehorses said: I think Ltd company sole employees are allowed to do necessary admin work. That must include payroll Unfortunately not. They're allowed to do statutory filings - which is a different thing. That's stuff like the obligatory tax returns and company filings to companies house, and not 'normal work' such as running the payroll. Edited March 31, 2020 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 w*nkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, whitehorses said: w*nkers yes. The whole thing works well for large businesses, and leaves shit loads of businesses absolutely fucked. The only answer I can think of is to find a freelancer to fill the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, eFestivals said: The only answer I can think of is to find a freelancer to fill the gap. so all I need to do now is to find a freelancer who is prepared to work on a "you might get paid in 6 months time or you might never get paid" basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, eFestivals said: so all I need to do now is to find a freelancer who is prepared to work on a "you might get paid in 6 months time or you might never get paid" basis. Someone who’s furloughed...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, whitehorses said: Someone who’s furloughed...? that would be taking the piss out of the scheme, and there's already lots of similar ways I can take the piss out the scheme without involving anyone else. I'm attempting to find an angle that doesn't take the piss out of the scheme and keeps me fully within the law without the possibility of any comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalopsia Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 I've just been furloughed, but my company are helping to raise the pay to 90% so i'm very lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 I’ve just been told. I can carry on wfh for 90% or furlough myself for 80% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernringo Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, whitehorses said: I’ve just been told. I can carry on wfh for 90% or furlough myself for 80% From what I've heard from my friends who are furloughed, I'd consider the wfh option. Boredom seems to be the real killer for them, I'm very glad I still 'have to work'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, northernringo said: From what I've heard from my friends who are furloughed, I'd consider the wfh option. Boredom seems to be the real killer for them, I'm very glad I still 'have to work'. I’ll wfh for now. But got a 2 year old running round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Can anyone offer any advice for my situation, as I'm struggling to get any answers. We're a Ltd company of two people (a guesthouse, forced to close), myself as director, my wife as staff. We have been closed for refurbishments since New Year and were due to open 28/3, last weekend. We've not paid ourselves since November '19. I'm assuming I can't furlough myself, but what would my wife's eligibility be? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Edited March 31, 2020 by fatyeti24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 In case this helps anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said: Can anyone offer any advice for my situation, as I'm struggling to get any answers. We're a Ltd company of two people (a guesthouse, forced to close), myself as director, my wife as staff. We have been closed for refurbishments since New Year and were due to open 28/3, last weekend. We've not paid ourselves since November '19. I'm assuming I can't furlough myself, but what would my wife's eligibility be? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. your wife is very definitely eligible if she's not a director (no one seem to know what the score is if a director) - as long as you haven't notified HMRC that she's no longer an employee (for over that time when she's not been paid). For her entitlement see 'employees whose pay varies' at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme#work-out-what-you-can-claim Edited March 31, 2020 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 Thanks a lot Neil, that's a great help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said: I'm assuming I can't furlough myself Martin Lewis says you can - although HMRC wouldn't confirm that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 PS: one option might be for your accountant to run your payroll, so you can furlough yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, eFestivals said: PS: one option might be for your accountant to run your payroll, so you can furlough yourself. Ironically, a couple of weeks ago I had them refund the cost of running my payroll over the last few months as there hadn't been one needed. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt me! The link you posted says I can use the equivalent month from last year or an average over the 19/20 tax year so hopefully I'll be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superscally Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Hey @eFestivals- here's a thought. You can employ someone who knows what they're doing but is furloughed and next year when you get the Glasto tickets for the competition, why don't you offer one of those to the lucky "intern", that way you're not playing the system and someone has no ticket stress? I wouldn't object and I doubt many would. Edited March 31, 2020 by Superscally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, Superscally said: Hey @eFestivals- here's a thought. You can employ someone who knows what they're doing but is furloughed and next year when you get the Glasto tickets for the competition, why don't you offer one of those to the lucky "intern", that way you're not playing the system and someone has no ticket stress? I wouldn't object and I doubt many would. all sorts of problems with that unfortunately. Someone who is furloughed can't then be employed elsewhere - where even 'voluntary' is likely to be deemed outside of the rules (once they get round to writing some clear rules ;)). And competition tickets are only given to be used for a fair competition. I've asked in the past about slanting the competition entry rules to benefit efestivals and (unsurprisingly) was told 'no'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyfaddle Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, eFestivals said: your wife is very definitely eligible if she's not a director (no one seem to know what the score is if a director) - as long as you haven't notified HMRC that she's no longer an employee (for over that time when she's not been paid). For her entitlement see 'employees whose pay varies' at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme#work-out-what-you-can-claim Thanks Neil. About to sort out for my small business. 1 p/t employee on variable hours, plus me. I don’t count it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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