Jump to content

Don't Miss a Beat

Join the UK's most passionate festival community. Keep up with the latest conversations, line-up rumours, and music news.

250,000+ Members

Connect with a massive network of fellow festival-goers.

Lively Discussions

Thousands of active topics on music, campsites, and tips.

Hot Rumours & News

Hear about secret sets and lineup drops before anyone else.

Create Free Account
OR
  • Sign Up!

    Join our friendly community of music lovers and be part of the fun 😎

When will this shit end?


Chrisp1986

Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

People are fed up of buying tickets to events/shows/festivals that are being cancelled and rolled over.

Confidence that events will actually happen is low! 

(not Latitude - that just looks shit) 

That's actually a good point - I currently have 2 lots of festival tickets and 3 indoor gigs rolled over. Did the right thing rolling over the festivals for definite as it helps the industry but yes, I'm lucky to be able to afford a gamble on Latitude on top of that. 

I wouldn't ever go otherwise but a weekend in a field as if its the old days was too good to pass up! 

Edited by efcfanwirral
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination has occurred, will increase the risk of virus mutations. I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that. Is that a good enough reason to keep restrictions? Some think so, others not. Neither side is necessarily 'right', it's a matter of opinion.

I think most people recognise the gamble being taken here, hence the concern most people have. The extent of the easing is quite jarring (basically disappearing entirely in terms of government mandates), which I suppose accounts for the nervous sounding comments from Whitty etc. about how bad things could actually get.

Edited by kalifire
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

If Glastonbury was on next week people would be desperately trying to find a route in because the demand would be far higher than the supply. 

Not a fair example to use I’d say … Glastonbury is unique in the fact it is massively oversubscribed so a drop off of a portion of those would likely make no difference … as it would still sell out … you might get a few not so confident seeking refunds though 

Edited by crazyfool1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Not a fair example to use I’d say … Glastonbury is unique in the fact it is massively oversubscribed so a drop off of a portion of those would likely make no difference … as it would still sell out … 

Either people are hesitant or they’re not? Can’t have it both ways. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, kalifire said:

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination, has occurred will increase the risk of virus mutations. 

Except we have no idea yet if mutations will occur in vaccinated people who can still catch the virus and transmit it, albeit to a lesser extent. 
There is no proof that a fully vaccinated population would be free from variants. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Either people are hesitant or they’re not? Can’t have it both ways. 

Some people are some people aren’t …  a better test in terms of a festival would be to look at one that just about sells out …. Although this year is a mess anyway with the limited numbers actually going ahead … 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

See my reply above .. it will take time for full demand to resume … we need everyone back doing things not just the ones involved in these initial surge of a limited number of events … it will happen but I’m not sure it will quite yet 

Of all my friends that go to festivals, I don’t know any that are apprehensive about returning. They are all chomping at the bit. I know that’s a small sample size but I don’t get any sense of people being scared, apart from on this forum.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I will tell you what is a good example - Silverstone...

Demographic for attendance is actually VERY mixed.  Age range 3 to 99 and both male and female (I was shocked first time how many women go - always thought it would be male dominated).  It usually sells out every year and its usually the same people who go every year.

This year it will packed - every seat taken.

If there was a fear of engagement in large events Silverstone would not have sold out.

There’s a mix … what’s so hard to see ? Some will some won’t … but for a fully functioning economy it needs those others to return to spending money … 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

There’s a mix … what’s so hard to see ? Some will some won’t … 

I don’t think either of us are disagreeing with that. What I disagreed with is that an event not sold out is proof that there’s vast swathes of hesitant people rather than a lack of interest in an event that doesn’t look very good. 
 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Of all my friends that go to festivals, I don’t know any that are apprehensive about returning. They are all chomping at the bit. I know that’s a small sample size but I don’t get any sense of people being scared, apart from on this forum.

Any of them vulnerable ? Or have vulnerable dependants ? Maybe those categories don’t tend to do festivals anyway ? Next time you talk to someone in one of those categories ask them if they would be happy to to go to a nightclub at the moment … Of course there’s a shit load of pent up demand people have been cooped up for ages and that will obviously manifest itself in packed events as we start opening … it needs to be maintained with others being happy to integrate too 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

I don’t think either of us are disagreeing with that. What I disagreed with is that an event not sold out is proof that there’s vast swathes of hesitant people rather than a lack of interest in an event that doesn’t look very good. 
 

 

Could be ether or I guess 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Any of them vulnerable ? Or have vulnerable dependants ? Maybe those categories don’t tend to do festivals anyway ? Next time you talk to someone in one of those categories ask them if they would be happy to to go to a nightclub at the moment … Of course there’s a shit load of pent up demand people have been cooped up for ages and that will obviously manifest itself in packed events as we start opening … it needs to be maintained with others being happy to integrate too 

Yes, two would be classed as vulnerable - but vaccinated! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It’s very possible that a full on reopening like we are going to have will do the opposite and turn more people away due to lack of restrictions/high prevalence of the virus. Especially when you combine it with government support ending, it could end up being worse for businesses.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, kalifire said:

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination has occurred, will increase the risk of virus mutations. I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that.

^^Well as an immunologist I'd say you have got this completely wrong - it's vaccination and social distancing that drives selection of new variants. The virus mutates at the same rate no matter what, but being unable to spread between people easily and being neutralised by antibodies generated by vaccination creates the selection pressure for rare 'fitter' mutations to expand.

That's evolution and you cannot stop it...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Plateletboy said:

^^Well as an immunologist I'd say you have got this completely wrong - it's vaccination and social distancing that drives selection of new variants. The virus mutates at the same rate no matter what, but being unable to spread between people easily and being neutralised by antibodies generated by vaccination creates the selection pressure for rare 'fitter' mutations to expand.

Interesting. So what would be your suggestion for how this should play out? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Fake SAGE have started their conference saying how we are all going to die!

They aren’t wrong, we all will at some stage 😉

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Latest Activity

    • Restore getting more than Lib Dems is not good.
    • https://x.com/amirtibon/status/2083054470871535853   Some thoughts on the Gaza agreement announced overnight, which despite my reservations and concerns, I hope will be implemented. 1. Donald Trump is trying to collect "wins" and "achievements" ahead of the midterm elections. His party is entering that election at a disadvantage, but because Democrats may choose weak and unpopular candidates in specific states, much like Republicans did in 2022, there's a reason for Trump to at least try achieving a surprising result like the one Biden secured four years ago.   2. The will to provide Trump such a "win" was an important motivation for all sides involved in this agreement: Hamas, Netanyahu, Qatar, Egypt, UAE and Turkey. All of them hope, each for their own reasons, that the transactional president will remember their role in the agreement and the positive media coverage it has generated and will continue to generate. You can like it or not, but that's the nature of diplomacy, especially in the Middle East, under Trump.   3. Netanyahu and his band of liars in the Israeli media (and the last few suckers in the American media still buying his spin) are already trying to oversell the agreement and present it in terms that contradict the Board of Peace statements and briefings. Of course, the October 7 Prime Minister can't just say the truth on this one, which goes something like: "I'm trying to stay on good terms with Trump ahead of an election here in Israel that will determine my personal fate and whether or not I go to jail in 2027."   4. For Hamas, the agreement is a way to buy time and survive, which is basically the organization's overarching goal since October 7. They lost most of their leadership and thousands of their fighters; they will also, I believe, give up some of their weapons to the new Gaza-based Palestinian government, which is a good thing. But at the bottom of all their decisions is a simple calculation: being able to say, "we committed the most deadly and humiliating attack against Israel since the start of the conflict, and survived as a movement and an organization to tell about it."   5. Hamas was able to say that yesterday, before the agreement was signed, and it can also say that today, after the conclusion of the negotiations. So in that regard, the agreement is preferable to the murky post-war reality that preceded it, in which Hamas was recruiting again thousands of young fighters, holding on to all its weapons, and controlling 99% of Gaza's population, making money off people buying fuel and cigarettes. Changing even a part of that terrible reality, by collecting some of the weapons and allowing progress on reconstruction under a non-Hamas government, is better. It means coming to terms with the fact that Israel under this government failed to dismantle Hamas and allowed its survival even before this agreement was signed.   6. Do I think the agreement will be fully implemented over the next 300 days, as I understand the timeline? I'm highly skeptical. But I'm also asking: what are the alternatives? Netanyahu, in his quest for political survival at all costs, ignored David Ben-Gurion's national security strategy of seeking short and decisive wars, which was based on Israel's unique internal and external challenges that make it dangerous for this country to have long wars of attrition. The result is an Israel that is hated, isolated and denounced around the world like never before, and is totally reliant on the support of one man (TRUMP) to avoid crushing international sanctions. Going to war in Gaza once again based on the same promise of "finishing Hamas," which this government failed to achieve after three long years, would have been suicidal unless Trump promised his full backing. And Trump, for good reasons, can't give such a commitment after his bitter experience with Netanyahu in Iran and Lebanon.   7. For me and my family, these are all very personal, not only political, questions. My six-year-old daughter will start school on the Gaza border in exactly one month, as we rebuild our life in the same home where Hamas tried to murder us on October 7. We've learned over the years to be highly skeptical of premature victory announcements and diplomatic celebrations. When these things collapse under the cynical realities of the conflict, most of those announcing them are not around to face the consequences. Still, I don't see a better alternative to the 20-Point Plan that Trump presented last year, at least not with Israel's current position of isolation and exhaustion under this government. So I have some hope that the agreement will succeed, even partially, and deliver a period of quiet. For us on the border, that would be significant after three years of war and trauma. And maybe in the long run, with different Israeli and Palestinian leadership, this will become a first step in a broader positive change for the region.
    • Until they're through the first round of votes there's no point believing any reports about who'll win.
    • David Byrne’s obviously got a few hits to play, but he’s not cheesy enough for the Legend Slot. Other headliner perhaps?
    • Too good for the legends slot 
  • Featured Products

  • Hot Topics

  • Latest Tourdates

×
×
  • Create New...