When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

 

I haven't mentioned or defend the police.

Neither of us are there to make a judgement.  You're clearly operating off a general dislike of the police.

You defend this?

[steviewevie]

The met should have just allowed the vigil to go ahead...this is just going to backfire on them. 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I wouldn't defend it...  I have no idea what happened?  Women being arrested is all the pictue is saying.

I don't feel a need to defend it.

I get the feeling you have an accusation to make.  Off a photo?

The police are making a peaceful protest by masked women violent after one of their own kidnapped and murdered a woman 2 weeks after they covered up his indecent assault accusation 

Dunno what else you think I should think? The police have the power to allow rhe peaceful protest to go ahead. You saying they haven't allowed it over covid? Come of it.

[JoeyT]

Sigh...

 

[zahidf]

Just now, JoeyT said:

Sigh...

 

Police love being able to do this

 

 

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

 

There was a report saying there was no cases linked to the BLM protests but that was some what a stupid suggestion.  You can never tell where you get infected and we all know this.

There were no surges in cases after the black lives matter protests. Actually I went to the manchester one which was not heavily policed at all, most people wore masks, and actually the crowding wasn't too bad, and all went peacefully although I could tell there was a lot of anger. Some things are too important not to protest. A black lives matter or reclaim the streets protest is a lot more important than a sports event or any other "fun" outdoor gathering in my opinion.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Protests while in a state of lockdown are not a great idea in my opinion.  Its okay to disagree.

It's not ok to disagree with me though.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Your doing a classic act of reading a poster saying one thing and then trying to stick a load of over stuff to them.  They won't stick well.

My comment was about mass gatherings.  The pros and cons of the police, this cause and the colour of the sky are all separate debates and issues I have lots of feelings on.

Right now I simply think we shouldn't be doing mass gatherings.  

I haven't defend or attacked the police.  I can't do that off a photo.  I won't do if off a photo. Neither should you.

Ah so you're blaming the women on the peaceful, distanced and masked vigil.

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

She might have been doing nothing and the police have acted like arseholes.

She might have spat in their face and pulled a knife.

How could you possible know?

Is this what you want? A straw man  to burn 🔥 lol

 

[steviewevie]

I expect there will be a bit of a political storm over all this....met have fucked up.

[Zoo Music Girl]

3 hours ago, Mr.Tease said:

I used to hate getting the Tube when I lived in London, my heart went out to people who still had to get it when the virus was kicking off and they were still squashed like sardines while knowing they were at high risk of catching it.

In Manchester they had these big cafe things where you pay per hour for infinite cake/coffee but the idea is you can use it as a work space and socialise at the same time. I feel such a yokel saying this in case it's well known in cities these days! What are these places called?! Think these will see a possible big expansion going forward with so many more people working from home, but wanting some human connections once or twice a week with others (though not an option for telesales or confidential data), unless maybe they had spill out private rooms you could use.

Your talk of the prospect of having to get up earlier has made me realise I've had to get up and start work earlier while working at home than I used to before the pandemic as nearly all my clients have wanted moving appointments during the pandemic! I've ended up working more hours, starting earlier and finishing later than ever before, and I haven't taken any holiday days off, so it's been quite a knackering pandemic for me, definitely need a break (and a hernia operation!) before returning properly to the outside world.

You mean like WeWork? That's the name of one of the companies that run that kind of service in London.

Definitely take a break if you can! I didn't until October last year but it did me the world of good. Burnout is a real thing.

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

You mean like WeWork? That's the name of one of the companies that run that kind of service in London.

Definitely take a break if you can! I didn't until October last year but it did me the world of good. Burnout is a real thing.

Meanwhile, the company I joined as a permanent member of staff last year has just had a fairly catastrophic breakdown in trust and communication, possibly because most of the team are new to remote working. A lot of people have utterly failed to read each other's intent. I've never seen anything like it.

I'm resigning on Monday.

BTW, I've worked remotely successfully as a freelancer for 10 years, but I've always been on the periphery of office politics before. I can't help feeling that this could have been nipped in the bud with corridor heart-to-hearts.  But the situation is terminal.

 

[JoeyT]

 

[JoeyT]

 

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Meanwhile, the company I joined as a permanent member of staff last year has just had a fairly catastrophic breakdown in trust and communication, possibly because most of the team are new to remote working. A lot of people have utterly failed to read each other's intent. I've never seen anything like it.

I'm resigning on Monday.

BTW, I've worked remotely successfully as a freelancer for 10 years, but I've always been on the periphery of office politics before. I can't help feeling that this could have been nipped in the bud with corridor heart-to-hearts.  But the situation is terminal.

 

Sorry to hear that, what's happened? 

[steviewevie]

33 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Meanwhile, the company I joined as a permanent member of staff last year has just had a fairly catastrophic breakdown in trust and communication, possibly because most of the team are new to remote working. A lot of people have utterly failed to read each other's intent. I've never seen anything like it.

I'm resigning on Monday.

BTW, I've worked remotely successfully as a freelancer for 10 years, but I've always been on the periphery of office politics before. I can't help feeling that this could have been nipped in the bud with corridor heart-to-hearts.  But the situation is terminal.

 

Bimey.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Sorry to hear that, what's happened? 

Nothing changing companies won't solve 🙂

The point is, remote has its pitfalls.

[Guest]

 

 

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

Let's hope he thinks of this on Monday when the bill to hand more powers to the police has its second reading.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

 

[Guest]

The Home Sec's response:

 

 

[Ryan1984]

 

[Ryan1984]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Home Sec's response:

 

 

Duplicitous in the extreme.

[Ryan1984]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

It would be Interesting to ask them how they would like the covid rules enforced without actual enforcement ?

I think the police should of handled the ranger fans, BLM protests and this vigal tonight with the same response.  That would be proportionate.  Either shut it down or stand back.

I struggle with demanding police enforce rules though and bark when  they do.

That's not the same thing and is an uncomfortable question for Khan and Kier.  Do you want the rules enforced or not?  If you ask someone to disperse and leave and they don't what do they think should happen?

And you can guarantee your last paragraph will be the Tories’ response tomorrow/all week. They are masters at shirking questions and responsibility - and Labour will be their target.

[steviewevie]

Women of the world unite.